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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I believe Mr. O'Callaghan. That is not the issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: When was the Department made aware of the existence of the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: On 6 October.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Hold on a second. We need a little bit more than Mr. waters' sense of it. This is serious stuff here. The committee was set up immediately, according to the Garda Commissioner, which presumably was July 27 or July 28. Mr. waters' sense of it is the committee was established and then the Department was asked to go on it by the email in October. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: It would go with Mr. O'Callaghan's evidence from last week. It was consistent. Last week, Mr. O'Callaghan said it was October 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: So the Garda Commissioner set up this committee promptly, as she said last week. She said she was anxious for the Department to be on it. The committee was established. As an afterthought, months later in October, the Department was asked to go on it. The Department was not on it at the beginning, was it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Hold on a second. A committee is set up to examine the financial management of Templemore by An Garda Síochána and the Department is not on it. This is fact according to what the witness is saying. The Department is not on it when it is set up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The Department is invited on it. What date is the email?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I would not say the Department was foremost in their minds. Perhaps the Department was not an afterthought but it was certainly not foremost in their minds because they did not bother to ask the Department to sit on it in the first instance. We have established that now. Is that not accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. O'Callaghan gave very good evidence the Department was notified about this in October. I have said before that for me and the public it is incredible the Department was not aware of the issues going back further. The Commissioner, to be fair to her, on numerous occasions stated that she believes the Department was aware. She said, "To clarify, it is clear that the Department had...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will cut to the chase. It is something I do not understand. The internal auditor was not told until March. The Department knew in October. Did one of the witnesses not ask why the internal auditor had not been notified and was not involved in it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. O'Callaghan insisted that internal audit would be brought in and they did not do it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Why did Mr. O'Callaghan not insist?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. O'Callaghan think it was appropriate that the internal auditor was not sitting on the committee that the Department started in October, that was established in July?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: So Mr. O'Callaghan does not believe that the internal auditor should have been on the committee even though he felt he should have been on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am not saying it was the Department's call. Mr. Waters should hold on a second. I did not say it was the Department's call. My question was very specific as to whether any concerns were voiced that the internal auditor was not on the committee or that he had not been told or information had not been sent to the internal auditor, and that these issues had not been brought to his...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: How often did the steering group meetings take place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was it every month or two months?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The internal auditors were not told until sometime in late March.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriations Account (Resumed)
Vote 24 - Justice and Equality (Resumed)
Chapter 6 - Procurement and Management of Contracts for Direct Provision (Resumed) (11 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is that not just insane? Although it is a different Vote and a different Accounting Officer, ultimately for the Vote and finances of the Garda college the buck stops with the Accounting Officer of the Garda Síochána but the layer up in terms of the parent and child rule is that the Department is responsible. Was that not incredible?