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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Are you looking for the 6,500 houses that were offered and refused?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: We also asked NAMA for its list and did not receive it. We did not get either piece of information, so we will remind them again.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: At the end of the meeting with NAMA I gave the representatives a list of queries about Project Jewel. Deputy Deasy attended that meeting. We toured the site and saw it at first hand. I asked NAMA to answer the questions submitted to us by representatives of families but it did not do so, except to say that the site is sold. Some of the questions relate to the attitude of NAMA towards this...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: We got a protected disclosure relating to the University of Limerick and we are not finished with that yet. I understand that an explanation was given as to how those people were employed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: We are not finished with that yet and will process it further.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: It is a Limerick thing. Is there any other business? No. We will move to the main part of today's meeting, which is to deal with the accounts of the Department of Justice and Equality. I invite the witnesses to attend.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Today we will deal with Vote 21: Prisons, Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality and Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin. Before we begin our meeting, I remind members and witnesses to turn off their mobile phones as they interfere with the sound quality and transmission of the meeting. I advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of...

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: I ask the witnesses from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to introduce themselves.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: The witnesses are all very welcome. I ask Mr. McCarthy to give his opening statement now.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. I invite Mr. Noel Waters to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: In the interests of the State, perhaps Mr. Waters will have to reconsider his decision not to apply for the post.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Go ahead.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Deputy Ross will put Mr. Waters off if he is not careful.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Would you say the same about the Clerk of the Dáil? That vacancy still exists.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Maybe they are doing us all a favour. They could be waiting until after the election and then a number of outsiders might be available.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: If they are not coming back here, they could apply for both of those jobs given their experience.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Mr. Waters is doing his job.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: He is doing the job he has been asked to do and he is doing it well. That discussion could be taken up in the Dáil Chamber, but the points have been made.

Public Accounts Committee: Annual Report and Appropriation Accounts of the Comptroller and Auditor General 2014
Vote 21: Prisons
Vote 24: Department of Justice and Equality
Chapter 9: Development of Prison Accommodation in Dublin
(5 Nov 2015)

John McGuinness: Before you continue your opening statement, Mr. Waters, I have to ask Deputy Dowds to chair the meeting. I have to leave for a few minutes. Perhaps the item we have just discussed could be taken up with officials from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform when they are before the committee in terms of their role in this and the appointments.

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