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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will wrap up and the Deputy will get a second opportunity.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are moving on to Deputy Cullinane. Deputy Kelly will be able to come back in a second time if he wishes. I welcome all our witnesses back again. I wish to start with Mr. Kelly. He wrote the audit and signed off on the audit report. Page 3 states that the Garda internal audit section had planned to conduct audits within the ICT directorate and would focus on a number of areas. Why was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it that the companies or the individuals have to be cleared?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That probably adds an extra layer to the procurement process which would not normally apply in other processes in State agencies?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly asked to come back in briefly but Deputy Marc MacSharry has not had the opportunity to come in yet. Does he want to come in now or later?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly has only some brief questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are nearly done on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Kidd come back to us on that issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I take it that there is a provision in the original contract----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----that allowed for a roll-over-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----and it was done in accordance with those conditions?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it recognised that we need something every year?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Kidd have the agreement that was signed each year rolling over the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Kidd does believe that there are such substantive documents.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I refer to the business case Deputy Connolly spoke of - if there is evidence of that, that is fine. Aside from that however, it is a big budget item. There had to be a discussion among some people in respect of this budget item for the coming year. There must have been some level of approval for that expenditure, notwithstanding non-compliance with procurement. There must be some...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Kidd give us what he has on this issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: In other words, the people who agreed the budget may not have been aware that it was a roll-over rather than new.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: A budget was agreed but the specifics of the procurement may not have been known to them;

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: If they did not know.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. Will Mr. Kidd give us what he has?

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