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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We have learned through bitter experience from previous organisations that have appeared before the committee. I want to impart the knowledge about what went wrong. I ask the witnesses to build it into their structures for the future. I do not know where Accenture came from but there is a big company called Arthur Andersen which was one of the big five and it was dissolved so nobody is...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will ask Deputy Kelly to commence.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: If the witnesses do not have the information here they can send it on.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy probably raised this in the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will wrap up and the Deputy will get a second opportunity.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are moving on to Deputy Cullinane. Deputy Kelly will be able to come back in a second time if he wishes. I welcome all our witnesses back again. I wish to start with Mr. Kelly. He wrote the audit and signed off on the audit report. Page 3 states that the Garda internal audit section had planned to conduct audits within the ICT directorate and would focus on a number of areas. Why was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it that the companies or the individuals have to be cleared?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: That probably adds an extra layer to the procurement process which would not normally apply in other processes in State agencies?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly asked to come back in briefly but Deputy Marc MacSharry has not had the opportunity to come in yet. Does he want to come in now or later?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly has only some brief questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are nearly done on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Kidd come back to us on that issue?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I take it that there is a provision in the original contract----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----that allowed for a roll-over-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: -----and it was done in accordance with those conditions?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it recognised that we need something every year?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Kidd have the agreement that was signed each year rolling over the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Kidd does believe that there are such substantive documents.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: I refer to the business case Deputy Connolly spoke of - if there is evidence of that, that is fine. Aside from that however, it is a big budget item. There had to be a discussion among some people in respect of this budget item for the coming year. There must have been some level of approval for that expenditure, notwithstanding non-compliance with procurement. There must be some...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Kidd give us what he has on this issue?

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