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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Does Mr. O'Brien mean they received one sentence or one paragraph pertaining to themselves?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: In fairness, I refer to chapter 3, page 5, of HIQA's report. I do not want to take issue with Mr. O'Brien or be alarmist, but he used the word "aghast". I am sure he has met the families.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: One could not but be aghast at the testimony they gave us. As Chairman of the committee, someone who is fair and balanced, as Mr. O'Brien will be aware, what upset me, apart from the stories of the families, was that two organisations of the State - I said this to Mr. O'Brien at last Thursday's meeting - were fighting in public about an issue that was about the parents and their children who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: No, I accept that, but in terms of the bigger picture, HIQA and the HSE were involved in a spat, which was unnecessary. It looked bad and the ordinary person at home watching the news at night was horrified by what was going on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: That is okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: What is the timeframe?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Was that the case in this instance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I wish to ask about that. As part of the - I hate using the word "testimony" because we are talking about parents - presentations to us this morning, I counted nearly 33 exchanges or interactions between the HSE and the families. In some cases, there was a 20-week delay without a hearing. That is not down to starting an investigation or being unable to source people. That is a lack of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: They were also told, "You have had your say; now it is my turn."

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Would you say that the HSE has due regard for the State Claims Agency's patient safety data?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: We will bring Mr. O'Brien back in again if there are any outstanding questions. Seven members have indicated their desire to speak so I would ask them all to be brief. Deputy Regina Doherty is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Mitchell O'Connor is next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask the committee to break with precedent and allow Deputy Creighton, who has another appointment to go to, to come in next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask the Deputy to finish and I remind her not to name names.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: The next speakers will be Deputy Healy, Senator Gilroy and Deputy Catherine Byrne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: There is no obligation on any witness appearing at any committee, be it a Minister or a witness we have invited, to provide a written script or to have one.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Deputy Byrne is next. We left the best wine to the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Notwithstanding the remarks made by Mr. O'Brien and the issue of resources and training, some of the things that happened to the parents and families involved obfuscation, procrastination, delays in answering questions and a lack of courtesy. I once worked as a hospital porter in Cork University Hospital. We were told three things: to respect the patient, treat patients as human beings and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I ask Mr. O'Brien to address Deputy Regina Doherty's points.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: HIQA Investigation into Midland Regional Hospital, Portlaoise (Resumed): Health Service Executive (19 May 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I am conscious that it is 5.40 p.m. and we have been here since 11.30 a.m. bar half an hour at lunchtime.

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