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Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Tánaiste for being here. One general comment that should be made is that the Bill was presented for Committee Stage before the pre-legislative scrutiny report of this committee was delivered to the Department of Defence. I find that insulting, not just to this committee - that is political - but to people from the representative organisations, and from the-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: It was produced before the Tánaiste received the report of this committee. Is that factually correct?

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Is that factually correct or not?

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Let me move on to the amendments.

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Middle East (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: 26. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if he has engaged with the European Commission seeking a suspension of Israel’s participation in Horizon Europe. [23274/24]

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Further and Higher Education (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: 32. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills his plans to develop and support further and higher education in County Monaghan. [23275/24]

Written Answers — Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment: Trade Agreements (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: 77. To ask the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment if he will report on his engagements regarding the Mercosur trade agreement. [23277/24]

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Fair enough. Regardless of whether the Tánaiste read the pre-legislative scrutiny report before preparing the legislation, my understanding is that he could not have done that. However, the fact is that one of the key component points raised throughout the pre-legislative scrutiny phase of these discussions is not reflected in the Bill that has been brought before us. I am speaking...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Deputy Cronin is only requesting that the statement be circulated. That is all.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: It is as simple as that.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: By the association.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Jesus, solicitors will have good craic with the wording "making himself or herself identifiable" if somebody is in the scenario I mentioned, that is, in a school. If somebody gets up to speak on behalf of the school and is introduced as a member of the Defence Forces, is he or she making himself or herself identifiable? There are principles that everybody accepts and there are parts of this...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Has the Tánaiste asked the Attorney General to look at this section in the context of that judgment?

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Yes, or another means of making oneself identifiable.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: That is good to know.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: I think the point is it is not in primary legislation.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Yes, and on the fundamentals, there is very little disagreement, if any, that I can discern. The difficulty is, and this debate is evidence of it, as was the pre-legislative scrutiny stage, that this does not bring about the clarity the Tánaiste is striving to bring about. To go back to one of the questions I was going to ask, he mentioned that this was based heavily on military...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: Whose views is the Tánaiste referring to? Are they military experts or the management of the Defence Forces?

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Defence (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee Stage (23 May 2024)

Matt Carthy: If the Chief of Staff was in uniform, therefore, and was giving the Tánaiste a view on what this legislation should include, would he not be breaching the legislation because he would be commenting on Government policy?

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