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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Of course, I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What did he tell Mr. Howard? Did he tell Mr. Howard that there was nothing to see here and that Mr. Howard had nothing to worry about or did he tell Mr. Howard that this was explosive, had been going on for a decade and the internal auditor had not been told? Alternatively, did he tell Mr. Howard none of the above and did the two just talk about sports?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Was Assistant Commissioner Ó Cualáin happy with the situation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am more interested in what Assistant Commissioner Ó Cualáin said to Mr. Howard. Did he express a view that this was incredible stuff, it had been going for years, he was very concerned about it and believed An Garda Síochána had real issues here and that it would come out? He was an assistant commissioner of An Garda Síochána and is sitting on the external...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: From the assistant commissioner's point of view. He has been in here. We will find out about his memory again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What was the assistant commissioner's message?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: The assistant commissioner's message.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did he tell Mr. Howard when he first became aware of these issues?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is my point. He was on the audit committee. What date did the audit committee find out?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: We will take that date. He is sitting on the audit committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: He was sitting on it afterwards. Did Mr. Howard not ask him or did he not proffer, seeing as he was sitting on it, whether or not he was aware of these issues for a number of years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I will leave it there for time reasons. I do not think I am happy with the answers but I must move on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I have so many more questions but I will get back in. I have a few quick fire questions for Mr. Nugent. What happened between 4 May and now? Will he outline to the committee what has happened as regards the gathering of evidence and the requests that came in? Was there a meeting or any conversations regarding preparing for this committee? When Mr. Nugent was gathering evidence or looking...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: What were the concerns?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Truthfully and honestly, which the Committee of Public Accounts is all about, has all evidence and documentation of which Mr. Nugent is aware that is necessary for us to do our job been provided to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: I did not ask Mr. Nugent about the search. Has everything of which he is aware been provided to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: Is there anything else of which Mr. Nugent is aware, bar the letter the Commissioner has claimed legal privilege on, because in respect of a number of questions earlier, Mr. Nugent said he would have to refer back? That concerns me deeply because as regards this constitutional committee, it is not a question of choice. If there is evidence there, unless there is some legal issue, which we...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: All the documentation that we require is being provided by Friday; there will be nothing missing?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: To be fair to Mr. Nugent, I only mean documentation of which An Garda Síochána is aware. I do not mean the stuff it has not discovered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Alan Kelly: This is my last question because the Chairman is going to throw me out. Did Mr. Nugent have discussions or meetings between 4 May and now with any of the people here in respect of possible legal consequences of the documentation they were providing or evidence they were giving?

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