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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: He was at the appropriate grade, given the seriousness of these issues.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: On the last day I asked Mr. Waters two questions and I am going to repeat two of them again. I have three questions left. Does Mr. Waters believe that his Department should have been informed more quickly by the Commissioner about the issues in Templemore? Does Mr. Waters think it was appropriate that there was a time gap from 27 July - a date that is disputed and could have been in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Waters did not address it satisfactorily.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No, I did not say that. I asked a question and that is one version of how the Commissioner could have informed the Department. Does Mr. Waters believe the Commissioner should have informed the Department in a quicker fashion that she did?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Given the scale of the issues and the actions which the Commissioner said she had taken and the fact that she said that she acted promptly and it is now known that there was nobody on this committee, and the Department was not aware of this committee until 1 October and it did not meet until November, does Mr. Waters not believe that the Commissioner should have informed him about these...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Okay. What I am taking from Mr. Waters's answer is the following - that Mr. Waters does not believe the Commissioner should have informed him in a quicker timeframe. If there was-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: That is what I have to take from this.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: No preconditions. The issues in respect of the McGee and Barrett reports, etc., are gigantic. She did not inform Mr. Waters. I am taking from his answer that he is happy that she did not inform him until 1 September, by way of copying him in on an email, and then formally about setting up the committee on 1 October. It is incredible to me that she would do that to the Secretary General of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: When did it meet for the first time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The internal auditor was not told until March 2016, yet Mr. O'Callaghan was sitting on a committee to discuss the issues in Templemore. Did alarm bells not go off in the Department? Does Mr. O'Callaghan not think it inappropriate that he is made aware of a committee in October and sits on it in December, but it is four months before the internal auditor is told about it? Did nobody in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of that evidence and I am caught for time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: One last question - did Mr. O'Callaghan not check that the internal auditor did not have a clue about any of these matters? He had not been told.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: He said he was not informed until March 2016.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: He had no clue of the detail of these issues. He has given evidence here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I can only deduce that Mr. O'Callaghan does not find anything wrong with not telling the internal auditor. Does Mr. Waters understand what section 40 of the Garda Síochána Act 2005 states?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: The section provides first that the Commissioner must account fully to the Government and the Minister through the Secretary General for any aspect of her functions and that her duty in that regard "includes the duty to provide, on request by the Secretary General, any document in the power or control of the Garda Síochána, including material in the form of Garda records, statements...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: He has written to the current Minister as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Let the witness answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Waters have knowledge of the relevant meeting? I will just stay on this matter. As I said to the Commissioner, I find it unbelievable to think, that after four days of questioning and hours and hours of witnesses, that this situation could reach back from 1990 up until the present day and that no one up along the line noticed it. I say this to Mr. Waters as Secretary General of the...

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Tribunals of Inquiry (20 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: 375. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if all the persons that have been hired by the Garda Commissioner to form part of the Charleton liaison committee were sanctioned by his Department and were employed following a full public procurement process; and if so, the details of same. [27344/17]

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