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Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Is everyone happy to move on?

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I call on the Minister to make his opening remarks.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I propose to move on to the subheads of the Estimates and we will go through individual subheads on the Vote. I remind members that we are only considering the Supplementary Estimates and while members may discuss issues relevant to the individual subheads they may not recommend an increase or decrease as there would be no Votes taken by the committee. I propose to go to subhead D.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Have members any further comments on subhead D?

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: No, the figures are for millions.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: That is our fault here and it will be rectified for the next year, if we are still here. Deputy Ó Caoláin will probably still be here.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Just to subhead D.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Yes please.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: I will now move on to subhead H. Deputy Kelleher and I attended a meeting last week with three members of staff who had retired six months ago from an organisation under the HSE and who had not yet received their lump sums. I welcome the Minister's figure of an additional €52 million for lump sums. I understand it may not be in his direct remit but these people have given huge...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Yes, six months.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: The problem is that they have a legal entitlement to payment. The committee met representatives of the Health Service Executive and the individuals in question. As Deputy Kelleher stated, the three individuals involved have given more than 100 combined years of service. I know them personally and they are dedicated individuals. They did not have high salaries but worked in nursing and...

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: We move to subhead I1.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: We will take each of them separately.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: That is fine.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: We will discuss the subheads together.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: It comes under subhead K1.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: It is a good point.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: Has the HSE signed off on the service plan for 2016?

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: We had hoped to have our usual meeting on it before the recess, but will not be able to. Are there any questions on subheads I1, I2, I3 or I4? Subhead I5 is grants in respect of other health bodies, including voluntary joint hospital boards.

Committee on Health and Children: Select Sub-Committee on Health: Estimates for Public Services
Vote 38 - Department of Health (Supplementary)
(8 Dec 2015)

Jerry Buttimer: There seems to be a recurring issue with organisations around HIQA registration and certification, complying with work and the capital programme. Anecdotally, some organisations have been told not to worry about HIQA regulations or compliance with the HSE and that something will be worked out. It is costing organisations money for registration, which is ongoing, in terms of becoming...

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