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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I heard his contribution earlier but I was not sure he had mentioned that. I apologise.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: How long would the longest investigation take?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Longer than three years is a considerable length of time for an investigation, both for the person subject to it and for the complainant. I accept that those cases are the most complicated ones and so on. Are resources a significant factor in the 6% of cases or is it the complexity of the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: To return to my question about those under 18, do any of the cases that are ongoing for longer than three years involve those under the age of 18?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Therefore, the ambition would be that not only could somebody under the age of 18 make a complaint, but that investigation or interaction might take place in a non-Garda facility and also might include non-members of the Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay. Does Ms Logan have a timeline-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Yes. I-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: For the record, the reason why, obviously, the Garda would be needed in that case is because of the nature of the complainant being under the age of 18.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Does Ms Logan have a timeline for when that separation from or non-dependence on the Garda services will be completed?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Therefore, if a complaint was made today or next week, is it likely that that young person would not have an interaction with gardaí and it would not happen in a Garda facility?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: That is very welcome news and, certainly, a shift from the last time Ms Logan was here.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: To return to the question that prompted Ms Logan's contribution, how many of the 7% remaining that are over three years involve those under the age of 18?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Ms Logan might come back to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: It is a very specific question, to be fair, so Ms Logan might come back to me on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I really think those cases need to be prioritised. The length of time for anybody in this situation is very difficult, but in a child's lifetime, there is almost an obligation on the State to demonstrate fairness in life and ensure that a process is available with a speedy response. Within the development of child's own lifetime, it is so important that we try to deliver justice where there...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Going forward into the new organisation, are there any child-specific measures that Ms Logan believes might assist her in carrying out her work?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: When Ms Logan says "treated as an adult", she means that they can make a complaint, not that they will be treated as an adult.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: Many of them would have had unsatisfactory interactions with gardaí and would not have previously been able to make a complaint.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (8 Feb 2024)

Paul McAuliffe: I ask Ms Logan to continue to prioritise those cases involving those aged under 18. It is not that the others are not important, but I have a particular feeling towards those. I will come back to the incidents, and Deputy Murphy kind of touched on the issue, of the Dublin riots. What it brought to the fore was a feeling within An Garda Síochána that gardaí very much were...

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