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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Are there any further questions? I thank the witnesses for coming to engage with the committee today. It was very worthwhile. I propose that we suspend to allow our next guests to take their seats.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: I welcome Ms Patricia King, General Secretary, and Mr. Liam Berney, Industrial Officer of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, ICTU. I also welcome Mr. John Douglas, General Secretary of the Mandate Trade Union. I also welcome Mr. Paul Bell, Health Division Organiser, and Ms Ethel Buckley, Services Division Organiser from the Services, Industrial, Professional and Technical Union, SIPTU. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: I thank Ms King and call Mr. Paul Bell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Does Ms King think that the six months is sufficient?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Does she think it needs to be longer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Dr. Desmond Ryan from the school of law at Trinity College Dublin attended one of our meetings. He made the same point about there being a gap in the Bill as regards unfair dismissals that needed to be addressed. If the period was six months, someone could be dismissed unfairly. I jotted down the point he made. This is something we might have to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Members will agree that he made that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Successfully.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: That the unions have reached successful agreements on banded hours contracts is an important point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Through no fault of the drafter, could the Bill have negative unintended consequences? Negative consequences have been pointed out to us. For example, a legal group told us that a worker employed by the State would not be covered because the definitions of "worker" and "employee" had been drawn from two-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: For the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: It is a play on words.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: We have had quite a few.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Is that 75% of the 35% mentioned by Ms King?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: The figure that was discussed at earlier meetings was 80,000 or 1%. Am I correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: We were told 80,000 may be affected.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Are the figures net or gross?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Ms King said 32% earn between €400 and €800.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Banded Hours Contract Bill 2016: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Apr 2017)

Mary Butler: Ms King said the six month period could be extended to provide a proper pattern.

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