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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy has half a minute left.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The subject the Deputy is raising with Ms Forbes, to be fair, was not on the invitation. I appreciate it is an issue of concern. I suggest that if Ms Forbes does not have the answer this morning, she would give the Deputy a written reply in the coming weeks, if that is satisfactory.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We have gone over time. I ask Mr. Collins to fix his microphone as the sound quality is poor and there is a lot of interference.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: As Deputy Alan Dillon is not available, I call Deputy Paul McAuliffe.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Apologies have been received from Deputy Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy’s time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Thank you, Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy's time is up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is over time. I call Deputy Sherlock.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Sherlock has ten minutes. We will break for ten minutes after that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: There are two minutes left.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will take a break for ten minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We are back in public session.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is over time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: I ask members to signal to me if they want to contribute on a second round of questions. I have a question for Ms Forbes in regard to the total wage bill at RTÉ. From the information supplied, I understand wages amount to €123 million, social welfare payments, PRSI and so forth amount to €13 million, pension costs are €13 million and €23 million is paid to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is 56%. I was not too far out. I have a question on the overall financial position, which Ms O'Shea may wish to answer. It has been stated that income has fallen more than €100 million in the past six years and costs have gone up in the region of €30 million. The yield to the company from the sale of land was approximately €100 million. I listened to the replies...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: We will keep the discussion concise. Given that a statute of limitations does not apply to an investigation by that Department, I find it hard to understand that RTÉ's financial section at this stage would not be doing some calculations as to the possible implications of that. We are talking about a substantial sum of money. In the context of a decline in income and the organisation...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: In regard to the €100 million yielded from the sale of the land, RTÉ outlined to the committee previously that it was being used as capital investment to improve infrastructure on an annual basis. How much of that €100 million is left at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: I saw that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33: Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Programme E - Broadcasting
(20 Jan 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am pleased to hear that an increase in the licence fee is not being sought because it would be unfair to those who are paying it. As I said to Ms Forbes last April, some of them are in low-income households and are dutifully paying that €160 every year. The licence fee makes up 57% of RTÉ's funding. The fee is not being collected from 14% or 15% of households and then there...

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