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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The committee is joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Seamus McCarthy, as permanent witness to the committee. He is also joined today by Mr. John Crean, deputy director of audit. I record apologies received from Deputies David Cullinane, Marc MacSharry, Alan Farrell and Catherine Murphy. The committee will now go into private session for a few moments to deal with a couple of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We had a brief discussion in private session which was substantially connected with our work programme. The next item on the agenda is the minutes of the meeting of 25 September. Are they agreed to? Agreed. The next item is correspondence. No. 1610B is correspondence received from the Department of Health on the implementation of the Scally report and was circulated to members yesterday....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will come back to it. Representatives of the Dormant Accounts Fund were with us last year and it was one of the most pathetic meetings I had ever attended. Commitments were made to concepts and projects, but there was not a sheet of paper to be had and projects never happened. Money was locked up as part of a concept that had passed its sell-by date. Responsibility for the fund had...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: That lack of preparedness meant that proposals were submitted but there were no details behind them. They were not really proposals but concepts or notions. Somebody had a notion about spending €2 million on a concept which was approved and the money set aside. However, nothing ever happened and the money was locked away.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes, there is. That is the sad part. We will definitely come back to the matter which we will be highlighting in a future periodic report. The correspondence received from Mr. Costello will help us in coming to conclusions. The next item held over was No. 1510B, correspondence receivedfrom Mr. Robert Watt, Secretary General, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, enclosing a minute...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: I do not think we agreed to publish it the last day; I think we agreed to hold it over. This is one of the items we discussed in private session. I call Deputy Kelly to summarise where we are going with this letter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly indicated.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will forward this letter to the OPW. We discussed it in private session. We might redact a few words because of the parliamentary privilege issue, but, by and large, the substance of the letter will be published during the course of the day by the Committee of Public Accounts, subject to minor redactions. We will send it then to the OPW and ask it to send us whatever report is referred to.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Okay. We have that. We will ask the secretariat to communicate that to the OPW in advance of next week's meeting. We are conscious there is a Comptroller and Auditor General chapter in his report relating to a particular matter dealing with the OPW and the Department of Health, and we will come to our work programme shortly. The next item is No. 1595 C from an individual dated 22 September...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy will fill us in on the background.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: When was that report done?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: What year?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: The report came to us within the past year but it is one item the Committee of Public Accounts just has not got to yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy has done a report that we have not got to yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is clear-cut that has not been-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: As far as I am concerned, if the Comptroller and Auditor General has a report on it since last year, we have to look at it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: When we come to our work programme, we will set a date to deal with that as soon as is practicable.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: We will come to the work programme in a few minutes, but it certainly has to be on our work programme. We will have a discussion on that in a few minutes. The next item is statements and accounts received since the last meeting. This will take a few minutes because since July, 101 statements and accounts have been submitted to this committee. Normally, we note ten or 20 every week but,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (4 Oct 2018)

Seán Fleming: Its turnover is €603 million.

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