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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Okay. Where is that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I appreciate that, but where is the bespoke partnership document for the four years? Mr. Kelly chased up payments. We understand there was a transfer and a payment made for the first year-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: -----of the agreement. Then, Mr. Kelly chased up two subsequent payments-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: -----for which services were not provided.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I appreciate that, but Mr. Kelly was chasing payments for services that were not provided.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Okay. Where is the documentation detailing those services to be provided? We have never seen that documentation.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: We have no paperwork for the services. I need to move on. I have three questions I need to ask Mr. Tubridy. He had a phrase in the middle of pandemic which was, if I am quoting correctly, "Mind yourself, mind each other". Approximately seven months after the conclusion of this package for him in 2020, pay cuts for RTÉ staff were back on the table. Mr. Tubridy is one person and...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: No, I am not.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I will say-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I appreciate that. All that strikes me is-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Researchers must work on the television show for 12 years before they will earn €53,945.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: On one side we have a guarantee of no pay cut and yet people earning that little money, which is a modest income, were going through pay cuts. How did Mr. Tubridy feel about those pay cuts?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I have two final questions, which are important. Mr. Tubridy said a few times today that his job is in front of the microphone, with words and not with the accounts and that he leaves the process to others. As a contractor, Mr. Tubridy is a company director. Every year, he and another director have to sign a legal document as company directors. Mr. Tubridy has to verify and sign off...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: No.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Actually, it is much more detailed than that. He signs off on the veracity of the accounts. When he signs off, does he not take an interest in where some of those payments originated?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: The thing is-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Throughout his time as a broadcaster, Mr. Tubridy has interviewed taoisigh, politicians and people from all walks of life. Integrity is integral to being a broadcaster.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Mr. Tubridy has made it clear that he wants to get back on air.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Lots of people want to see him back on air. Does he think that his integrity is damaged, given that he admitted earlier that he should have put up his hand? He received payments that none of us are happy with as regards them being ultimately for Mr. Tubridy's benefit, but were anonymised. Does he think his integrity is damaged?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I am not asking about charitable work, but about his ability to ask questions.

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