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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: In Mr. Kelly's letters of correspondence back and forth, he talks about a 41% reduction over the past five years.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I am going to have to find it, but Mr. Kelly said 41% over the last five years.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: He said, "This represents a 41% reduction over the past five years" in an email dated February 2020. When I look at the figures of what Mr. Kelly set out in 2017, 2018 and 2019, and we expect that what was published was actually what Mr. Tubridy was paid in 2015 and 2016, it is approximately €2.5 million. Therefore, if he was to be taking a 41% reduction between the 2015 to 2020...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I am sorry; I need to read this back: "This represents a 41% reduction over the past five years." Mr. Kelly said that in 2020. I do not think I am going to get an answer if Mr. Kelly can say it is from 2012.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I am sorry; Mr. Kelly's own words here do not relate to 2012. They relate to "the past five years", and he wrote this email in 2020. I asked Mr. Kelly whether there were additional payments for the years he has not given us details for today, that is, 2015 and 2016. Perhaps he may wish to come back and furnish the committee-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: -----but certainly, he has written this a number of times in the correspondence-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: -----and it is very clear that 2015 to 2020 is the period about which he is talking.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Okay, so, what he wrote is factually incorrect in the correspondence. It had to have been. He talked about five years and wrote the email in 2020.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Yes, it is on page 10 of the briefing document provided to the committee.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Yes. Anyway, Mr. Kelly will need to go back and review because he does not really refer to 2012. He said "the past five years" and that email was written in 2020. I want to ask Mr. Kelly about the Renault deal because I am conscious that time is pressing on. We have two documents here. We have the contract for fees of €440,000 for 2020 to 2025. We have a one-year deal between...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I asked Mr. Kelly a question. Is there a separate document setting out the fees associated with this one-year contract?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: We do not have the emails to show the final agreement. We only have the emails leading up to the agreement-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: -----and Mr. Kelly said this is a five-year agreement. Where is the agreement for the final four years? We only have year 1 here.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I do not believe that is final. Is Mr. Kelly saying that on 28 February, he concluded negotiations between RTÉ and his company for the entirety of the Mr. Tubridy's package?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: My understanding is that it was concluded in the summer in July.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Basically, therefore, we just have one or two lines with an agreement of €75,000 per year every five years, but there is no detail as to the services that would be provided after year 1. We only have the year 1 detail of service.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I am sorry; what page is Mr. Kelly on?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: The page I am looking at is the final page of the contract. Mr. Kelly is saying the email is all we have with regard to the contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: Okay. Mr. Kelly is saying that all we have for the contract between Renault and Mr. Tubridy for the final four years is just based on an invoice and an email.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Marie Sherlock: I do not see a contract, though. I just see an email and an invoice. There is a piece missing in the middle.

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