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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I am assuming it is fair to say that as part of a process like this, Ms O'Keeffe as the CFO, along with the head of legal, because somebody obviously is-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Yes, the RTÉ solicitor would be aware as well as the director general. Was there anybody else aware of the contract, as far as Ms O'Keeffe knew at the time?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: The original negotiation for the Ryan Tubridy contract.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: So Jim Jennings would have been aware of some of the detail as well, particularly with regard to the Renault deal.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Would he have raised it with the executive board at the time? Did Jim Jennings bring up the Renault deal at the executive board level at any stage?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Who would have known about that, within that smaller group?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: The Renault deal. I suppose that is what we are looking at.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: They would all have been aware.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: What we are getting to here is around the levels of knowledge of the original contract and who knew what. That is why I asked very specific questions around who was in the room and who knew. This is part of the problem - it clearly seems that people did not speak to each other around elements of the deal. I wish to come back to Mr. Collins. When I put the question to him, and I...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: If his predecessor, as chief financial officer, who knew some of the detail, spoke about this, would Mr. Collins not have asked some of the questions?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Everyone remembers what was happening in Covid. We remember that people from RTÉ came before this committee and the Government gave significant wage supports to RTÉ. The difficulty we have is that we were misled at the time around some of the financial arrangements. The wage subsidies were about trying to protect employment. People were taking salary cuts and yet, arguably - I...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: When did Ms Doherty become aware that Ryan Tubridy's salary was understated?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: In March 2023. Nobody would have alerted Ms Doherty at any stage that there were questions about the figures that had been put into the public domain?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Perhaps we may come back to the auditors question. I wish to ask, briefly, about Toy Show The Musical. Ms Doherty is one of the most experienced theatre producers and content creators in the country. Was Ms Doherty consulted around Toy Show The Musical at any stage?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: Ms Ní Raghallaigh pre-empted my question. She will recall that I put it to her and Ms Anne O'Leary - I did not think it was fair to ask Robert Shortt - last week whether they had continued confidence in the executive. Our difficulty is the more drip-drip-drip, the more damage is being done to the reputation of RTÉ. Ms Ní Raghallaigh's role as chair and that of the new...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: We have already seen one director general step down. Does Ms Ní Raghallaigh expect that we will see others stepping down?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I want to ask one question and make one comment. My question is in regard to the motor vehicles. Are the witnesses aware that in all instances, benefit-in-kind would be paid on all of those transactions? The witnesses can come back to me with an answer I want to make a general comment. In fairness to the witnesses here, this is the third day that they have come before Oireachtas...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I will allow just a couple of minutes for any further questions. In terms of final comments, if any of the panel-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I know. I am now going to ask for a response.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Malcolm Byrne: I want to address the agreement with Ryan Tubridy that Senator Conway asked about.

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