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Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Public Health Advice (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I understand that and I also understand all the other parts, in particular the holistic approach and the individual responsibilities that come into it, and that the control measures and all those factors are important. However, there has to be a number. Is Professor Nolan saying the number is above 1 and that if it went above 1, that creates a difficulty and that is where the risk becomes...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Public Health Advice (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I understand that.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Public Health Advice (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Professor Nolan's job is to provide that data and that modelling. We know it is a virus and we know it is a virus that spreads. If it spreads more quickly, we may have more community transmission as a consequence of more people moving about. I am asking what is the number. There has to be a number when Professor Nolan is doing the modelling and when he is providing the Government with...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Public Health Advice (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I will move to Dr. De Gascun. With regard to the control measures, obviously, to keep that below 1 involves many different things. The witnesses are both right in saying that testing, tracing and isolating is one part of the component. We also have to make sure that we have capacity in our hospitals. Dr. De Gascun knows that the contract with the private hospitals will come to an end and...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Public Health Advice (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: The middle part was in regard to the wearing of masks. Specifically, what I am asking is whether Dr. De Gascun is satisfied across all those holistic measures, whether it is wearing a mask or any of the other issues, that there is a plan to deal with Covid as well as a plan to reopen the economy? Are both in sync, in his view?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I welcome the witnesses and wish them well in the time ahead, as I am sure everyone else has. It has been a tough time for everybody, including big and small businesses, and I wish everyone well. I will start with Mr. McDonnell. His opening statement got some understandable media attention and focus because of some references he made, on which I want further clarification. One of the...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: To follow on from that, Mr. McDonnell also said: "Our interaction with the upper reaches of our public service and Executive leaves little doubt as to their perception that big business is good and small business is bad." What Departments or who specifically was Mr. McDonnell talking about?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: When Mr. McDonnell talks about the upper echelons of the public service, to whom specifically is he referring?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I am not arguing whether Mr. McDonnell's analysis is right or wrong, but it is important that Departments of the Taoiseach and Public Expenditure and Reform were at the heart of his remark that there is a perception that big business is good and small business is bad in the upper reaches of our public service. It was more than a perception. Mr. McDonnell went on to say that "big...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Senior trade union officials and officials in Department of Finance have said to Mr. McDonnell that their perception is that small business owners fiddle their expenses.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Senior officials?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Are they at the highest level?

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: It would be extraordinary for senior officials in the Department of Finance to make that statement, whether in public or private.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: The vast majority of small business owners, who ISME represents, are decent people.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: They create jobs and employ people. Senior officials in the Department of Finance are making claims, as Mr. McDonnell said, that small business owners fiddle their expenses. I have a big difficulty with that and that needs to be explored a bit more.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: Nobody named anybody. We are entitled to name the roles involved, such as senior officials. I have not asked for a name.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I accept that. A very serious charge was made and I take it very seriously because we should support all business, especially small and medium-sized businesses. I am disheartened to find such remarks have been made. If that was said to an organisation that is fundamentally wrong.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: We are joined from committee room 1 by officials from the Department of Business, Enterprise and Innovation and Enterprise Ireland who are here to discuss supports for businesses. From the Department I welcome Dr. Orlaigh Quinn, Secretary General, and assistant secretaries, Mr. David Hegarty and Mr. Declan Hughes. From Enterprise Ireland we are joined by Ms Julie Sinnamon, CEO, Mr. Kevin...

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I thank Dr. Quinn. I should have said at the start that the witnesses have five minutes to give their opening statements. We will try to keep people to that five minutes, if we can. I invite Ms Sinnamon, CEO, Enterprise Ireland, to give her opening remarks.

Special Committee on Covid-19 Response: Reopening the Economy: Supports for Business (9 Jun 2020)

David Cullinane: I thank Ms Sinnamon. I remind members they have ten-minute or five-minute slots. I have a list of people who have indicated and the time slots they have been allocated. I will call out what they are when I get to them. If there are changes, I ask members to let us know. We must keep people to time so everyone gets in fairly and the Chair has a few minutes at the end to put his or her...

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