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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: It reads: "The Bill aims to give the gardaí powers to arrest, search and confiscate tickets if they believe a breach of the law has or is taking place." Will Deputy Quinlivan expand on that please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: If somebody was standing outside a venue selling tickets----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: -----and he or she was making it known that they were touts, is it proposed that the gardaí could arrest-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: They would have extra powers to arrest and search the person, and confiscate tickets if they-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: Can I just ask-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: They might just ask him to stop.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: Say for example-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: It might be an ordinary person and they might end up with a third ticket for a match. He or she might have bought three tickets and only two went on the day-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: They pass them on at face value.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: I have seen that from people going to matches.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: Any further questions before we hear from officials?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: The Bill states that a person guilty of these offences would be liable upon court conviction to a fine of up to €5,000. Does Deputy Quinlivan believe that goes far enough? What if it was done by a concentrated ring of people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: If there are no further questions we can hear from the officials.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: Where would the cost be that would require a money message? Would it need extra gardaí to deal with it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: There would not be a major cost to the Exchequer but we will ask the officials.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: I thank the Deputy and Mr. McFadden for their time. We are all agreed there is a problem and we need to do something to sort it out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: I welcome Mr. Kieran Grace, principal officer for competition and consumer policy at the Department of Business, Enterprise and Innovation, and Mr. Bill Cox, assistant principal, to scrutinise the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: I thank Mr. Grace. There was quite a bit in that. Does Deputy Quinlivan want to start?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: There are quite a lot of questions. If Mr. Grace needs clarification, there is no issue with having a bit of to and fro across the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of the Sale of Tickets (Sporting and Cultural Events) Bill 2017: Discussion (22 May 2018)

Mary Butler: Does Mr. Grace accept that there is a problem?

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