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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is Benefacts auditing done in-house or is a company hired to do it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: With regard to income, does the company generate external sales? It amasses a huge volume of data. Does the website mention 20,000 records?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I used to be an IT manager and I specialised in databases. Is the figure of 20,000 accurate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is 20,000 accurate? The website states------

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will not fall out over a few hundred organisations. Has Benefacts data on all of them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Benefacts sell any of that data? If so, to whom?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: So Benefacts does not sell data.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: So Benefacts sells data.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is all I wanted to know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: I presume Benefacts has a data protection officer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that person employed on a full-time basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is fair enough. To save time, will Ms Quinn supply a copy of the company's data protection policy to the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: The data protection officer position is vacant but somebody is doing the job.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Given its role, surely the company cannot operate without a data protection officer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Ms Quinn is busy. She said the company has a small number of staff to run a sizeable database with a significant volume of data. I presume much of the work has to be outsourced and, therefore, there are many contracts with external agencies and I presume all these are tendered for.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Are they tendered under public procurement guidelines?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can Ms Quinn supply a list of every contract valued in excess of €10,000 that has been entered into since the company's incorporation with the tender details?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: That would be helpful. I presume there are no conflicts of interest relating to anybody working for the organisation or a board member or to those who supply services to the organisations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: My questions are not designed to catch Ms Quinn out. I respect that this organisation has an unusual set up, which is not a negative. It is also a relatively young organisation and, sometimes, there is a fear that such an organisation will fall between two stools. I used to be the chairman of a committee and the reason I ask these specific questions is to make sure there is public...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Benefacts Project: Discussion (13 Feb 2018)

Alan Kelly: The organisation has a small staff. Does it contract people to do the data analysis?