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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: My understanding from the engagement we have had with officials in the Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs is that they share our view on the importance and benefits of it. We have not received any negative indications such that the Deputy said he would be concerned about. They see merit in it. Obviously we cannot preempt what future administrations up there might do....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Ultimately we are in the hands of the committee which is carrying out pre-legislative scrutiny. We are in the hands of the Oireachtas. As Minister of State I would not in any way preempt how long it might take for the Houses to pass this legislation. However, we are all acutely aware, notwithstanding the concerns and challenges raised in the committee, of the impediment and the importance...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: This was a clear commitment we gave as part of the derogation to the nitrates directive as it was for the other countries which are in receipt of the derogation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: For now it will be N, P, and K.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: That is correct.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Yes, that may happen down the line.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Many are registered. Golf courses and the like are professional. Ultimately the definition relates to commercial activity. If someone is growing a few spuds in the back garden, that is not a commercial activity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: That is my understanding, if they are purchasing the fertiliser themselves.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I will clarify that for the Senator and come back to him on it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I will say again, there is a clear differentiation here in general terms between commercial activity and non-commercial activity. Therefore, somebody who goes into a chain of DIY stores and buys a small amount of fertiliser for their lawn will not have to register for this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Somebody who is growing a few carrots or spuds out the back and is putting a very small bag of fertiliser on them, is not commercial activity. A golf course is seen as commercial activity; green keepers are included. I will come back to the Senator and to the committee to clarify the exact point in terms of a GAA club.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The Senator has raised a very valid point. As somebody who started out as a Deputy before pre-legislative scrutiny, the merit of this process I see is that we can tease through these issues and give absolute clarification before we get the legislative process underway properly. I will come back to the committee and clarify the specific point in relation to GAA clubs and soccer clubs, if the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I accept the Senator's concerns and the points he has articulated very clearly. At the beginning of this process, there is a one-off opportunity or requirement of farmers to declare opening stock on their farm holding. The opening stock of those dairy farmers who had a high income and may have purchased some fertiliser at the back end of the year will be recorded in the beginning of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: We are putting safeguards in place. In every process there are always ways in which people might try and get around it and that is the reason we will have an inspection regime and controls and measures in place to act as a deterrent. What is also really important about this process is that it is easy to use. We do not need to add layers of complexity and red tape for farmers. We have to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: I take on board the Chair's guffaw.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: The general principle of the system is that the reporting burdens are being reduced here and this system is about making life easier for farmers. It is to all of our benefit that we do this and have a better handle on how much fertiliser is spread here. We will definitely have a much clearer picture on that with this process in place than we have to date. Also, the Senator talked about...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: With the Chair's indulgence, I will bring in Mr. Massey on that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Can I make one wrap-up point on that and take on board that sentiment felt strongly by farmers. I argue that on the fertiliser side of things, this will reduce the reporting burden on farmers, but also-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Not only in relation to that point but on the earlier point we discussed in the first two and half hours of this meeting, there is the bigger picture here. It is not just about what is the most convenient for farmers today or tomorrow. It is about protecting this industry and future-proofing it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Oct 2022)

Martin Heydon: Farmers keep records under the nitrates directive. They are used to that reporting requirement.

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