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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: How many staff are we talking about in total?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Does Mr. Moran not see a reason to regularise it in any way?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I do not have much time left but I want to touch on the issue of airline costs. Will Mr. Moran give a short background again as to what the dispute was about and the parties that received payments.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: It was a €10 charge.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: What were the legal costs? We know the settlement costs were substantial but what were the legal costs of the Department in that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Does Mr. Moran know if the matter is closed or are there additional funds to be paid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I want to come in quickly on a different matter before the Chairman cuts me off. Ireland's contribution to the EU budget in 2019 amounted to €2.4 billion. Does the Department have the net figure for offsetting our receipts from EU sources and the corresponding estimates for this year yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 7 - Office of Minister for Finance
Chapter 1 - Exchequer Financial Outturn for 2019
Chapter 17 - Ireland Apple Escrow Fund
(5 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Do we know if it will be similar for this year in 2020?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: We could bamboozle people with reference to the Committee on Procedures and standards and committees and all of this type of thing. Essentially, the procedures and Standing Orders which are in place state the Committee of Public Accounts cannot discuss a pertinent, ongoing, current situation without the approval of Government. That undermines exactly what the Committee of Public Accounts...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: To clarify, what we did in respect of the Department of Education is what we are now agreeing to do. We wrote to the Department asking it to attend. I do not know what the mechanism was, but through that process the committee received a letter from the Ceann Comhairle informing us in blunt terms that we were not to discuss the issues in respect of which we had invited the Department. We...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Did we write to him first?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Would we be obliged to do so if we followed the Comptroller and Auditor General's proposal?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: This item arises from previous correspondence the committee received with respect to the Department's accounts. The Department spent something in the region of €33,000 on media monitoring services. I had submitted parliamentary questions on this matter to other Departments, as had Deputy Catherine Murphy. Several Departments employ external media monitoring services. Can the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I am just seeking an analysis in the first instance. It may then be something into which we could look further because it appears that a lot of money is being spent in this regard.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: If I recall the correspondence we sent to the Department correctly, we asked why there was such a small number recruited to Irish language posts. In the response we received, it was clarified that the situation was even worse than had been suggested in the original correspondence. I propose that we bring this matter to the attention of the Joint Committee on the Irish Language, Gaeltacht...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: It is interesting to see what is defined as a disability in the correspondence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: No, not on that issue. I want come in on No. 175.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: On that, I just had a quick glance over this. Essentially, this is in regard to procurement. We had asked for a briefing and they sent us a comprehensive response - comprehensive in that it is lengthy. However, it essentially just repeats the information, and its core aspect is that it repeats the lack of appropriate ICT capacity and integration, saying again that this is the key...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: This was in response to that, I understand. Their answer is just to say they know what the problem is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I agree with everything Deputy Murphy has said. I find the answer concerning. It talks again about the difficulties with ICT and states that while the university is engaging with the vendors to develop a solution for this, it is not clear that a viable software solution will be found. This is a university saying it cannot find a software system that allows people to get paid for their...

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