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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges for the Forestry Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: The agenda indicates "including ash dieback". I did not realise it was a restrictive agenda.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges for the Forestry Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Can the Chairman ask whether we could get a report on the Meenbog?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges for the Forestry Sector: Discussion (Resumed) (17 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Minister of State for being here and for her engagement. As she mentioned, we have had a number of engagements and I must say she comes across as a very genuine and nice person. I am just not sure if the job she is in is the place for a nice person. She acknowledged forestry policy has not been working for anybody. She mentioned the industry and communities. Others mentioned...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I welcome our guests. I again put on the record our appreciation and thanks to all the staff in the Department of Social Protection, probably the Department that elected representatives have had the most interaction with since the onset of the pandemic. In almost every case the staff have been incredibly helpful even though they have been working under very stressful conditions. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I ask Mr. McKeon to repeat that. How many people have received the service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: How many people who have come through JobPath are employed via the JobPath route today?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: They are employed today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I seek clarification. Do those 22,000 refer to people who secured employment and stayed there for more than 12 months or people who did both of those things and are still in employment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: We must, therefore, assume that a number of those are no longer in employment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: It would be useful to have a sense. I agree that 12 months is a good parameter, but it would be useful to see of people are still in employment after two years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: This is, therefore, comparing people who got this support with people who got no support essentially.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Is there any analysis of the 22,000 people who have secured employment? Are all those full-time equivalent posts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: What would their average hourly rate of payment be?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: What are their average weekly earnings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Mr. McKeon is not giving me this data, I have to say.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I can understand it might not be there. The Department has extended the JobPath for another year. On the basis of the figures Mr. McKeon has given me, assuming that the bulk of those 22,000 are still in employment, it works out a cost of €11,000 per job. Is there any possibility that another route would ensure we could create a greater number of jobs for less than €11,000...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I am only giving Mr. McKeon the data in this instance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: I am telling him that the Department spent €244 million

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Excuse me, let me finish.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 – Employment Affairs and Social Protection
Chapter 4 – Control over Welfare Payments
(12 Nov 2020)

Matt Carthy: Chairman-----

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