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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the annual spend? I do not expect the current figure but perhaps I could be given the figure for 2021.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am asking about the spend on legal services by the HSE. Mr. Mulvany will have seen the overall figure. What was it for 2019 and 2020?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: So in 2019, between claims paid out and legal services, we could be looking at €440 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is significant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I visit the issue of the integrated financial management system each time Mr. Watt is before us. I mentioned earlier that we are a high spender on health. That is good but we need to find out where money is going. As I mentioned to the witnesses from Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, Mr. Watt's former Department, last week, what matters to us and to the public is what happens in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I want to hear from Mr. Watt, as Secretary General of the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Straight lines.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: The road between the budget and the services is a road with many twists and turns.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am not inside the system but outside the system looking at it, meeting middle management, meeting the witnesses present and looking at accounts. It seems like a very twisted road and we need to straighten that road out a bit. An integrated financial management system should help to capture that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: What is the budget for it? When will we see it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Has it increased?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: The other health systems have it now. Where are we at with it? Are we 50% of the way there?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: It will be 90%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: We do not have time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Go on.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: It is important.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: Just very briefly because I have one important question for Mr. Watt before he goes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is welcome.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health (Resumed)
Health Service Executive: Financial Statements 2020
(26 May 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is the one. It is the services we get confronted with. I do not want to go into too much detail on the national children's hospital. Mr. Watt mentioned the figure of €1.7 billion the last time we met back in December. It has cost just over €1.7 billion. I know there are claims and that is a moveable feast. There is also construction inflation of over 4%. If...

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