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Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I will hand over to Deputy Kelly. It is an issue we will return to because the figure is so big. The Committee on Public Accounts has to look at this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Would it be possible during the course of the meeting to obtain it? We will probably not finish before 1 p.m. Is there somebody here who could make contact, other than Ms Jackson, because she will need to stay here?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy can ask them on behalf of the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: We are asking that the information be emailed to the Committee of Public Accounts. It will be circulated it to members when it is received.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. McCallion explain the word "colposcopy"?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is it when women need a physical examination?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I am only asking the question because I know some people do not understand the term.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Explain the RCOG review please.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Is that the review that is being done in London?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I have an obvious question. Surely the solicitors submit excessively high bills in the knowledge that the agency will knock something off, in which case we are starting with an inflated figure?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly has five minutes remaining.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Which breakdown is Deputy Cullinane referring to?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I wish to help the Deputy on that. In seven weeks' time, the financial year of the State Claims Agency, SCA, will end. The agency will have to put a figure for the CervicalCheck cases into its financial statements. Mr. McCarthy will audit that. The agency will need a system with some rigour in order to be satisfied with what it puts into its audit and financial statements. Without giving...

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: The HSE's financial statement provides the estimated cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: It is in both bodies' financial statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Surely the note should be reasonably-----

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: In other words, how is the SCA going to produce well-founded figures to satisfy the Comptroller and Auditor General for 31 December, though he might not audit this figure in detail? Does it have a procedure in place for that?

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Without compromising the approach, can Mr. Breen outline the general procedure? The SCA must work on the basis of the cases settled so far, or the estimates. Presumably that is the first step.

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: Will the Department and the HSE provide a detailed note on the matter, not just a note stating that it happened and that X was responsible for it. The ladies and gentlemen seated behind Mr. McCallion are from the State Claims Agency. It takes ten years to work through many of its cases. In cases involving catastrophic injury at birth children are often nine or ten years old by the time...

Public Accounts Committee: Matters related to Medical Negligence, Open Disclosure, Cervical Cancer and Thalidomide Litigation (8 Nov 2018)

Seán Fleming: I want to let Deputy Catherine Murphy in before the break, in order to finish-----

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