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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: He will get a chance to come back in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Just like the officials' view.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Yes, it is, because they are not judges.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: It is for the Chairman to allow interjections.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: It sounds like we are at the European Court of Justice already. It is nothing personal when I say I do not believe the European Commission is respecting the political process here. It is doing the very opposite. I refer to the letters sent to the expert commission and the Minister, Deputy Simon Coveney. I suggest Mr. Ciobanu-Dordea's presentation was designed to state we did not have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: That is not the point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Yes, but there is inconsistency in the witness's answers that he is simply not acknowledging. In 2010, it clearly says that it kicks in when this is an established practice at the time of the adoption of the directive.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: But that was the answer that was given in 2010.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Okay, then the answer has changed. That is fine. At least we have an acknowledgement that the answer has changed. The second point relates to established practice. Why does the Deputy think the word "established" exists in article 9(4)? What the witness explained as established is just a matter of practice or of something changing. If something changes over time, there is a different...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: I did.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: I have never paid water charges in this country.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Therefore there is not an established practice of water charges in this country.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: I have read it to the very end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: With respect, that is a different answer that is given-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: That is disingenuous because the Commission has said that the established practice is gone. The witness can try to shift on to a different argument.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Role of Regulators and Compliance with European Law: Discussion (15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: I will ask the third question and then move on. We are not getting clear answers because the witness is attempting to move onto a different ground of argument. The Commission has said that established practice has gone. Let us engage on it. Let us be political because I agree that the Commission is a political body that makes political choices. Is the European Commission in favour of...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: On the privatisation of Allied Irish Banks, is the Minister and the Government at all concerned that in advance of such privatisation AIB may try to offload loans which may end up with vulture funds and the threat that poses to the people who are living in the homes underlying those loans? I refer the Minister to the recent parallel in Limerick whereby the Strand apartments were sold by NAMA...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: And why not. Deputy Pearse Doherty made some points, to which the Minister responded, about the report on Project Eagle to be published tomorrow by the Committee of Public Accounts. Previously the Minister has said that he had full confidence in both NAMA and the Comptroller and Auditor General. The reports are that the Committee of Public Accounts report will strongly back the...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: Can the Minister see how it would be perceived as inappropriate to meet Cerberus in advance of the date for Project Eagle?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2017)

Paul Murphy: In that situation.

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