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An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: It was the Department of housing that said it had never been offered it. It is just to get clarity on that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: I thank the witnesses. This has been an interesting discussion. Understandably, a lot of the questions have focused on risk. Something that perhaps goes missing in the narrative in Ireland is that within Europe we are operating within an AI regulatory framework. That framework is not the same as those in China or the United States. We have a real opportunity in Europe when it comes to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: Is Ms Cassidy driving the implementation of AI in Departments forward? Is she keeping tabs on each Department? Are Departments reporting up to her on how they are implementing the guidelines? Does she know what is going on in every Department in terms of use of the guidelines?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: Ms Cassidy is not is not picking up the phone to her counterparts in Departments to discuss the guidelines and find out what kind of direction they are giving to principal officers and others down the line. She does not know, for example, if the Department of agriculture is doing one thing and the Department of justice is doing another. Is her division doing any of that kind of work?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: How does Ms Cassidy know that the guidelines that the Department published are being used if she is waiting for other Departments to phone her, as opposed to the other way around?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: No disrespect, but that is hardly a metric which shows that people have read the guidelines. One would hope that it is the bare minimum.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: I will put the question another way. Which Department right now does Ms Cassidy think is leading in the implementation or use of the guidelines?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: If Ms Cassidy's division is not responsible for all Departments adapting to AI, who is responsible for that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: Who are they accountable to in the context of the particular question of adapting to AI? Are they accountable to any one on that particular question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: Does Ms Cassidy think that is problematic in terms of the roll-out of AI? Has the Department looked at the public sectors in other European countries and benchmarked that against Ireland? Is it problematic that the Department does not have a function to wield a stick and ask what people are piloting here? Revenue is doing some things and the Department of agriculture is doing other things....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: I thank Ms Cassidy. I only have 20 seconds left. Mr. Lowry mentioned the use of Microsoft Copilot, which is the software platform the State has contracted. How do we deal with public procurement in an AI age? That is a big question and I do not know how he will be able to answer in 13 seconds. Estonia is currently operating an education system, working with ChatGPT and Gemini. It is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: I might get a supplementary question in later.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: As I said, this has been a really useful engagement. On the 193 life events, I am unfamiliar with those. Could those life events identified be shared with the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: Not right now. After the committee-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: I should have clarified that. I just meant to ask whether the witnesses could share whatever documentation there is around that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: It is 17 life events and 193 services. It could be helpful to our work if Mr. Lowry could share that with us. Of the 17 life events, or 193 services, which of these, so far, are adapting AI into public services?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Artificial Intelligence: Artificial Intelligence in the Public Sector: Discussion (14 Oct 2025)

James Geoghegan: The 17 life events and 193 services obviously cut across a lot of Government Departments. How does that work? The Department has done this work and identified the life events and services, but how will it drive forward or inquire into how these services or life events could be digitalised or benefit from AI? Is that a process it drives?

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