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Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: There were 4,885 people who notified to the system. This is an online system where people give their own dashcam footage, which is then supposed to be investigated.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Not a significant majority, but one would imagine more than 60, and certainly more than 30 payments resulting from that. There was quite a big fanfare when this was launched. It could be an asset. It does not seem like it is resourced to the extent it could be, given the outcome.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Far from it.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: I am going to be very reasonable, but we are talking about 4,885 resulting in 60 fixed charges and 30 payments of fines. There is reasonable and then there is whatever the opposite of that is. I want to ask about policing in Dublin city centre. Obviously, it is something that is really important to me. I have had this discussion with the Minister lots of times. There has definitely...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: There absolutely has been and it has been very welcome. The shops and other businesses find that very welcome. One issue coming from it is that a lot of the gardaí are young. That is just the nature of it, giving they have just come out of Templemore, but the resultant displacement is having a real impact on the communities surrounding the centre. I was in Frederick Court apartments...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: It is happening.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: The county of Dublin is one thing, but the surrounding inner city communities, north and south, have all spoken about an increase in the displacement of crime and the entities involved in it. We definitely have more Garda cars, but they are driving past.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Absolutely.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: It is really commendable. That was not the case when I was growing up but it is the case now. The Garda has done an amazing job.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Particularly in terms of the small area policing initiative that happened about ten years ago. There is a problem now, though, in that, because we have asked for more gardaí, they have been sent to the city centre and the residential communities around it are really feeling the impact. Will the Minister take a look at this?

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Relating to the health diversion programme that is about to be announced by the Minister's Department and the Department of Health, when a person is found in possession of drugs, he or she is going to be diverted to a health facility as opposed to being sent to court. That is brilliant. It will be at the discretion of the individual garda who encounters that person. What level of training...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: I fully agree with the Minister on this. I am referring not only to the training that takes place in Templemore, but also to continuing professional development training. This will be a stark change in practice for many gardaí. It used to be the case that people found with drugs were taken to a police station but now they will be rediverted to a health facility. This requires...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Absolutely.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: We have spoken about the fact that at present gun crime is almost non-existent in the State. This is very welcome and it is to the great credit of the gardaí who put themselves in harm's way during the feud. This does not mean that violence has gone away. The violence we see in our communities at present, and the drug-related intimidation, is horrific. We are speaking about people...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: It is the DRIVE programme and I think it will be very good.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Yes, 4,885 with 60 fixed charges and 30 resulting in a payment of fines since 8 August.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Currently, there are 5,415 people in our system. Some 400 of those are sleeping on mattresses. The Minister is talking about bringing 940 places back into our prison system. If he achieves that aim, it effectively means that, at that point, our prisons are operating at just about 98% capacity. It does not sound very ambitious.

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: Do not get me wrong; I do not think it is working. Even if the Minister gets Thornton Hall and brings in the other 1,500 places, our recidivism rate in this country will be 62.4%. That means that 62.4% of people who come out of prison will reoffend within three years. Senator Lynn Ruane a couple weeks ago raised the point that if we had a hospital where nearly seven out of ten people who...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: We need better spaces. The punishment for a person who commits a crime is the loss of liberty. What is happening after that point seems to be a compounding of punishment for a person. Not everyone is the same, but many people who go in there for a particular reason – the Minister just outlined drugs and drug-related crime – are dealing with their own addictions, and there...

Select Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration: Estimates for Public Services 2025
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 44 - Data Protection Commission (Revised)
Vote 24 - Justice (Further Revised)
(24 Jun 2025)

Gary Gannon: It is a lottery.

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