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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Legal Aid Board: Chairperson Designate (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Deputy-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Legal Aid Board: Chairperson Designate (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: That brings the session to a close. We are about to move on to another session. I thank Ms Egan for her engagement, which has been extremely useful. We had intended to engage with the board, so it was a good time to have her appear before us. I wish her good luck with her work. As a procedural note, we will inform the Minister that we have had engagement with Ms Egan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I welcome our witnesses. I thank them for joining us. I will come to them all individually in a moment. The purpose of today's meeting is to consider the directive on international protection, asylum and migration, sometimes called the EU asylum and migration pact, from the European Parliament. This is part two of our deliberation. We met with the Minister last week, when we had some...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Leonard and all the witnesses for their opening remarks. That sets the context for our questions. I am now going to invite members of the committee to take the floor. The first member offering is Deputy Pringle.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Yes, of course. We will have a second round. Senator Ruane is next and then Senator McDowell, Deputy Ó Laoghaire, if he is back in the room at the time, and Senator Gallagher. That is the running order at the moment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: We will come to the visitors afterwards. Apologies for interrupting the Senator. There are visitors in the room. To observe protocol, we will take committee members first and then go to visitors at the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Is that question for Nasc first?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: It is a good name.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: If there were a pick 'n' mix option available, is there something the witnesses would pick?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Henderson. I will move to the next member in a moment, because that is the -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Ms McGinley.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Ms Hennessy. Before I move on to the next member, Deputy Ó Ríordáin - I see Senator Martin has joined us and he may wish to put a question - I want to pick up on a point that Senator Gallagher raised. This is an EU pact; it is not a piece of Irish domestic legislation as we are all aware. The Senator asked what the experience has been in other EU countries in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Ms Kenny might explain why is it that Ireland and Denmark are the only countries that are not automatically opted in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Ms Kenny. I call Mr. Kapantais.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Kapantais. That was very interesting. I call Mr. Bruton.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Mr. Bruton. I am going to go to Deputy Ó Ríordáin and then to Senator Martin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: Is that being asked of anyone in particular?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I thank Deputy Ó Ríordáin. We will now hear from Senator Martin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: I draw to the members' attention to the fact a vote has been called in the Seanad. If any members need to leave, they can resume when they return.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: EU Regulations and Directive on International Protection, Asylum and Migration: Discussion (Resumed) (30 Apr 2024)

James Lawless: We move to the next member, who is a visitor. Senator Martin will have the floor when he comes back. I call Deputy Harkin.

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