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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Sorry, sexual identity is mentioned in the Equal Status Act?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Is Dr. Sullivan saying that sexual identity is specifically referred to in the Equal Status Act?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Because I do not think it is, and I am very much open to correction.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It might be no harm if we could check it now because it is a very relevant point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: That is where a lot of people are wondering if this a case of taking an inch and stealing a yard. I do not think sexual identity - I put my head on the block here - is referred to in the equal status legislation. That is a very nebulous term. I think people are worried about the NCCA’s use of nebulous terms and where that might go and that is why people want to see the toolkit, to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: No, their sexual identity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: No, but when Dr. Sullivan is referring to “sexual identity”, what does he mean by that? Let us cut to the chase here. It is in the NCCA’s document. What does sexual identity mean? Is it talking about sexual orientation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will wait for the next round.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Can we come back after the Cathaoirleach Gníomhach's questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I would agree with a bit of what the Chathaoirleach Gníomhach is saying.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will offer a quick word in defence of parents. The people who put their names to this very reasonable letter - Sandra Adams, Julie Anne Collins, Mennatallah Hassan and Niamh Rushe - deserve great credit for putting together a reasoned letter in which they point to particular things that need to be addressed. Sometimes when you are watching a hurling match, the referee gives a free, places...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Was there a mistake in it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: It is the "how" that people are worried about.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Update on the Draft Curriculum Specifications at Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Does the council consult on the toolkit?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I will begin where Senator Flynn left off in the context of nutrition. In recent years, the World Health Organization has emphasised that the first three years of life, from conception to the age of three, is the critical time. Is there more that can or needs to be done in respect of nutrition? We cannot really separate what is taught from the context in which people learn. The question...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I just said that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: The Cathaoirleach Gníomhach did not let me finish my sentence. I am asking about the efforts being made by the Department and the NCCA to ensure that gender ideology is not part of the early years curriculum. This all speaks to the question of the trust parents place in the State and how it seeks to treat children when they are in any way entrusted to third parties. I stress how...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: I am sorry; I am giving Dr. Sullivan a chance, on the record-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Integration of Early Years Learning into Primary Level: Discussion (5 Nov 2024)

Rónán Mullen: Yes but something has been brought to my attention and I want to make it clear and give everybody a fair chance here today. On that issue of sexual identity not being included in the equal status legislation, were definitions sought? Why did the NCCA persist with putting sexual identity in? Why did Dr. Sullivan tell us here today that sexual identity was rooted in the Equal Status Act if...

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