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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: We will start with Mr. O’Brien. He can decide which of his colleagues he would like to answer and then we will go to Dr. Power.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: Dr. Michael Mina has joined us from Boston. Can he hear us? Is he on camera?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: Not just yet. It is blank at the moment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: All we are seeing are Dr. Mina's initials. We are not actually seeing him on camera. We can, however, hear him perfectly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: It would be better to have Dr. Mina on camera. If it is okay with Dr. Mina, I will ask him to leave the call and join again. It would make a lot more sense if we could physically see him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: We will move on to Senator Horkan, who has four minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am conscious of time. We will be sitting only until 2.30 p.m. so if Mr. O'Grady does not mind, I will let Dr. Mina speak and we will continue our discussion thereafter.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Senator may conclude his slot now if that is how he feels. We are trying to get through-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Senator should conclude his questioning now. The problem is that we have limited time. Does the Senator have concluding questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Senator can contribute again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is a witness trying to contribute. We are very conscious of time. We have to be out of here by 2.30 p.m. Quite a few members are seeking to participate. The Senator can conclude his questions now if he wishes to do so but I would like Dr. Mina to make his presentation now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I welcome Dr. Mina to our session. I thank him for taking the time to join us so early in the morning in Boston. He is well known in Ireland in that he has contributed very much to the antigen–PCR debate. Our committee is discussing this. I am aware that Dr. Mina has interacted with Professor Ferguson on his contribution here. What we really want is Dr. Mina's overview on the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am obliged to read a note on parliamentary privilege. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person or entity by name or in such a way as to make the person or the entity identifiable, or to otherwise engage in speech that might be regarded as damaging to the good name to the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will go back to Senator Horkan. We are very tight on time so I ask him for a very quick question because others have to come in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will not put the professionals on the spot, but I will ask Professor Mina, who is the authority as everyone knows. Will he address that point? When the population is fully vaccinated, will there be a requirement for antigen and PCR testing in terms of travel?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: We will invite Dr. Tony Holohan, the CMO, to our committee. I ask him here publicly to engage with our committee and put his arguments on antigen testing. The purpose of the committee is to get to the facts. The missing piece of the jigsaw at this stage is that we need the CMO to appear before the committee to give his views on antigen testing. I ask for that to happen very shortly. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: Antigen testing could be introduced in Ireland for air travel and sporting and cultural events. Dr. Mina has published academic papers on this area. Has he carried out empirical work to show what it would do to reduce the rate of transmission among the general population in Ireland? This feeds in to public health.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: Antigen testing helps that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I thank Dr. Mina.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Rapid Antigen Testing for Aviation and Travel Sectors: Discussion (9 Jun 2021)

Kieran O'Donnell: I must ask our guests to be brief in their responses because our time is limited.

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