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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes sits on eight boards.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: When did Ms Hynes become aware this position was vacant?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes had no prior knowledge that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: The first Ms Hynes heard of it was when the Secretary General of the Department contacted her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: What did he say?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Further to that, did Ms Hynes make any contact with officials or politicians or their associates regarding the position prior to the Government deciding to nominate her?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: There was no contact with anyone-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: -----other than through the Secretary General.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes's position now is chair designate, pending her engagement with the committee today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Then it will become ratified that Ms Hynes is the chair. Since her appointment as chair designate by the Government, has she met with or contacted any members of the committee, either directly or indirectly-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Yes. Has she contacted any members of this committee, including through any third party?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Ms Hynes has not met anyone from this committee-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Previously, Ms Hynes served as chair of the board of Shannon Airport. She will know from Mr. Shane Ross's book that he relayed to her his thanks for her service there but, in doing so, said at the end of her term that he would not reappoint her. In his book he says that, within minutes of telling her this, he received a call from the then Taoiseach pretty much asking him to reappoint her....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: If I may, it speaks to the way Ms Hynes does business, so I am asking her what-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Did Ms Hynes call the Taoiseach? Will she confirm that she called the Taoiseach that day?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Not at all. I am inferring nothing. This was a State board in respect of which the then Minister suggested to Ms Hynes he was happy with her service - no question over anything - but that he was not going to reappoint her. There is no entitlement to reappointment-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: -----and Ms Hynes knows that. However, Mr. Ross says in his book, and it is a matter of public record, that he received a call from the Taoiseach that pretty much asked him to reappoint her, and he confirms he did that. That is a public fact. I am asking Ms Hynes the motivation for contacting the Taoiseach on her behalf to remain as the chair of the board of Shannon.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: I am not going to badger her.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: Did Ms Hynes file a return with the Standards in Public Office Commission, SIPO, regarding lobbying? If somebody rings me or particularly a Minister, there is a stipulation under the legislation, with which Ms Hynes will be familiar, that this constitutes lobbying. In her return-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Irish Aviation Authority: Chairperson Designate (24 Nov 2021)

Timmy Dooley: It would have been natural to have a conversation with the line Minister. If Ms Hynes was contacting the Taoiseach and he acted on that call, in my humble opinion that would require Ms Hynes to set that out in her returns to SIPO. She knows that full well. I am just looking at an article where Shane Ross raised a freedom of information, FOI, request about Ms Hynes's recent appointment, a...

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