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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Scrutiny of EU Legislative Proposals (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: It has been agreed that the following EU proposals warrant no further scrutiny: COM (2019) 409, COM (2019) 410, COM (2019) 424, COM (2019) 457, COM (2019) 458, COM (2019) 459 and COM (2019) 460.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: Today the committee begins its pre-legislative scrutiny of the general scheme of an employment permits (consolidation and amendment) Bill with officials from the Department of Business, Enterprise and Innovation. I welcome to today's engagement Ms Clare Dunne, assistant secretary, Ms Fiona Ward, principal officer, Mr. Rob Walsh, assistant principal officer, and Ms Roisin Collins, higher...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I thank Ms Dunne. Before opening it to the floor, I have a question about spouses. She said that while the spouses or partners of a critical skills employment permit holders were always permitted to seek work in Ireland, they had to first find an eligible job and then apply for an employment permit. Did that mean they had to apply for that before entering the country?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: If a skilled worker applies for a permit, is the spouse automatically entitled to come with that worker even if he or she does not have employment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: Are such persons entitled to any benefit from the State when they are here?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: They are dependent on their spouse-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: -----even in health issues, a matter that was raised in my constituency office. For clarity, unless they are working, they are dependent on their spouse, be it male or female.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: This was drawn into sharp focus during the summer when we had the disputes at the meat factories. This drew the committee's attention to it. Many lower-paid employees were very dependent on their wages and in some instances they were laid off because there was no work. They also had spouses with them. We wrote to the Department because we were very concerned about how they would survive...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: Are any changes to the draft Bill we are discussing proposed for the spouse of the person with the critical skills permit or does it remain as it was?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I have a final question about the person who comes in to work, together with a spouse. If there was an unexpected death, would the Department look at each instance on a case-by-case basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: The person who was holding the permit might have been here for some reason with his or her spouse and unfortunately there was a sudden death. I have a similar case at present where a person tragically died. Does the Department look at that case by case with regard to the spouse?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: It would pass to the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service, INIS?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I know it is unusual.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: It has certain criteria, such that the person was working in the country within the last two years. Does it take a sympathetic view? I have made inquiries.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I thank Ms Dunne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: As regards the hospitality sector, is the Deputy thinking of the Restaurants Association of Ireland? Is that the organisation he is referring to?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: A recognised body.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I was struck by the special circumstances employment permit, which allows for an employment permit to be granted in unusual circumstances. Can our guests provide give examples of where this provision has been used or where it may be used in the future? I was just struck by that line.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: I was just going to ask what it was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: General Scheme of Employment Permits (Consolidation and Amendment) Bill: Discussion (13 Nov 2019)

Mary Butler: Would I be right in saying that the Department would grant a permit on a case by case basis and that it would look at something unique and unusual such as that?

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