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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will make a suggestion which will save us all time. Will Mr. Breen write to the committee to explain how this has all changed? That would be useful and would save us time.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have some more quick questions. I first have a question for Mr. Gleeson. I do not live far from his offices, although it is in a different county which beat Tipperary in hurling this year. I also know some of the people who work with him and I have met and spoken to people who work with him and people who work in CervicalCheck. There are some very good, impressive people working in that...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will not get back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who said that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me get this straight because it is important. Mr. Gleeson or someone with him proposed to give Dr. Scally the same full access that the relevant HSE staff had. However, that was shot down in preference for taking the electronic files, putting them on a device - be it a USB device or a CD - and giving that to Dr. Scally, which he has gone ballistic over and which the Minister has called...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am not a big fan of the first report the HSE produced. In fact, it is not what was agreed in the Dáil. However, that is not the issue. Dr. Scally was clear in that he was furious about the documentation. Everyone present knows that. We have now revealed that the people in Limerick just wanted to give him full access. As usual, though, when it went up the food chain, a decision...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: If that is the case, it is amazing. The Minister for Health has had discussions with Dr. Scally since then and I have had communications with the Minister for Health. There is a contradiction in this somewhere. Either Dr. Scally is not telling us that he was offered an opportunity or it was refused to him by someone in the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: No, I want confirmation now. The HSE should not be able to attend our meetings only to always say that it will have to revert to us. I want confirmation now. I have to walk into the Dáil. The idea of kicking to touch and reverting to us after an answer is agreed is not acceptable. That is why we are back here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Now. As to my final question, how many-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay, but there is a way-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not have an issue with the data protection question. I need Mr. McCallion to be present for my final question. Has Dr. Scally ever-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Has Dr. Scally been to Limerick and met the staff? If he has not, it would be insane. Are there doctors present in Limerick to deal with the serious requests from women who have been affected, particularly those who have cancer, in some cases terminal cancer? I am hearing that there are no doctors there in a capacity to ring the women back. Is that not right, Mr. Connaghan? What is the...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: No. It was on whether Dr. Scally had been-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is unbelievable.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. McCallion is not answering two of my questions. Has the 209 figure increased and, if so, by how much? Does the HSE expect it to increase even further? Are there cases where women ring in but there is no doctor to ring them back?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: What is the number now?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Given that Limerick is the epicentre of this, may I make a suggestion to Mr. McCallion? It is one that his own staff are telling him and of which he was probably made aware in the past 24 hours when he visited Limerick yesterday and returned with Mr. Gleeson to prepare for today. There should be a doctor there. The staff in Limerick need a doctor who can deal with these cases.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Well-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will be gone in 20 minutes. I can do it for that time, though.

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