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Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I move amendment No. 11: In page 3, after section 5, to insert the following new section: 9.—Section 57(1) of the Act of 2004 is amended by inserting the words "or a philosophical and non-confessional body," after the words "religious body" and by deleting "," after the words "religious body".".

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I move amendment No. 12: In page 3, after section 5, to insert the following new section: 10.—Section 69(10) of the Act of 2004 is amended by the insertion of a new paragraph (k) as follows: "(k) contravenes subsection (3) of section 54A,".".

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I thank Senator Mooney for his kind comments. I did try to ensure people were kept up to speed by e-mailing all colleagues a briefing on the amendments and the rationale behind them, and I am grateful to all colleagues on both sides of the House that the amended Bill has passed unanimously. The aim with which we were all in agreement - that the Humanist Association of Ireland be included in...

Seanad: Employment Equality (Amendment) Bill 2012: Second Stage (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: The liberals are on the phone.

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I welcome the members of the Humanist Association of Ireland who are in the Gallery and I thank them very much for their help and support with this legislation. As colleagues know, because we had a very full debate on Second Stage on 10 November, this Bill is aimed at making a small but significant change in the law on the registration of civil marriages. It does not extend to civil...

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I move amendment No. 1: In page 3, to delete lines 18 and 19 and substitute the following: " " 'body' means the Executive or a religious body or a philosophical and non-confessional body; 'philosophical and non-confessional body' means a body which has as one of its functions the celebration of marriage, and which, for the purposes of this Act— (a) has been performing marriage ceremonies...

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: Some specific points were raised and I wish to respond briefly to them. As Senator Hayden has noted, this debate did indeed open up into a discussion on marriage more generally. However, the Bill has a relatively narrow purpose. While it undoubtedly is a small but significant step towards the recognition of a more pluralist Ireland, it has quite a narrow purpose, which simply is to extend...

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: -----and as mentioned by Senator Hayden, the five year provision is relatively rigorous. At least one marriage must have been registered for more than five years prior to the application. The definition of "philosophical and non-confessional body" was taken from the Lisbon treaty. The definition of "philosophical" is clear enough. As I understand it, "non-confessional" means that the body...

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I will respond to Senator Mooney. It is unfortunate in a debate in which we are all in agreement - everybody has welcomed the Bill - that Senator Mooney's words were delivered in a somewhat discordant style. That may not have been his intention but he sounded somewhat hostile at certain times and that is unfortunate. The first thing I should say about these amendments is that they have the...

Seanad: Civil Registration (Amendment) Bill 2012: Committee and Remaining Stages (2 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: Atheist Ireland, which is included as one of the philosophical and non-confessional organisations under the European definition. There are other groups which may not have applied yet but which potentially may do so in the future should they fit rigorous criteria. I certainly did not wish to close off that potential. I do not make any judgment about any group as to whether it might wish to...

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I thank the Minister for his comprehensive response. I would like to ask again about the timeframe for the divestment process in terms of the 47 areas. The report lays down a blueprint for a timeframe but it does not set out the end result as to when it envisages some of those schools will divest. As the Minister said, it is on a very small scale and gradualist approach of approximately 50...

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: Tomorrow at 10.30 a.m.

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: There is plenty of evidence. Many schools look for baptismal certificates.

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: Archbishop Martin -----

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I am grateful to my colleague, Senator Moran who is sharing her time with Senator Harte and me. I will speak for five minutes and Senators Moran and Harte will each speak for three minutes.

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: I welcome the Minister to the House on this auspicious day, 1 May, as he was the Minister at the time who introduced the May Day bank holiday. I also welcome members of the Portobello Educate Together School Start-Up Group who are in the Gallery and I thank them for coming along. I should declare that I am chair of the group and that we are one of the groups seeking change in our system....

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: It affected the quality of my education and I do not mind saying that. I think that is true of many schools, although not all because many schools seek to be accommodating. I know of children who have been turned away from schools because they were not of an appropriate religion and of others who were put very far down waiting lists. That happens. The opt-out mechanisms that are in...

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: -----the largest group after Roman Catholics in the country, as the Minister pointed out. Only 60 schools in Ireland are multidenominational under the patronage of Educate Together, the group to which the Portobello group-----

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: Yes and the gaelscoileanna make up approximately 50 more. About 4% of our national school system is either multidenominational under Educate Together or under the patronage of the gaelscoileanna movement. These are the two biggest growing movements of parents. In my group in the Portobello area in Dublin we have more than 600 parents of nearly 350 pupils pre-enrolled and we are hopeful...

Seanad: Report of Advisory Group to the Forum on Patronage and Pluralism in the Primary Sector: Statements, Questions and Answers (1 May 2012)

Ivana Bacik: What it seeks to do in terms of the divestment issue is to, first, examine the areas where there is demand from parents in accordance with their constitutional rights. It is taking a minimalist approach in saying there are 47 catchment areas. Obviously, that is something already established with the Department, and in those areas it is setting out a blueprint as to when divestment can...

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