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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is there a target date for that service to be taken over?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: When are we talking about? Is it the middle of next year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Will the Department keep the committee briefed on a likely date for that takeover? That is important. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Just before we conclude, I have a question about the companies that are being contracted to provide services such as food, etc. I understand proper procurement processes must be applied, including e-tendering if the contract exceeds a certain figure, but there is room for social clauses and so on. Does the Department put an emphasis on engaging companies based in this country and paying tax...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Other countries use a system in which they break down the size of contracts to bring their value below a certain figure. This is to try to give preference. That can be done.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am not only referring to the social clause. Contracts can be broken down to come in below the EU threshold so there is more room for manoeuvre in awarding them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Do the companies that are engaged, particularly the bigger ones, pay tax here and are they registered for tax in this country?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: They have to be paying tax here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: We looked for the figure for the highest cost per place. Ms Baxter referred to an average of €70 but we have not been able to ascertain during the meeting what the highest cost is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. We have had a wide-ranging discussion about many issues in a big Department with considerable responsibility. I thank the witnesses for joining us today and the staff in the Department for the work involved in preparing for the meeting. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and the staff in his office for assisting the committee today. Is it agreed that the clerk...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item of business is the minutes of our meeting of 20 October, which has been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters in relation to the minutes? No. Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the minutes...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: What exactly is No. 6?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: By the Land Commission?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is what I thought.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: I call Deputy Carthy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: The Department will be coming before the committee in a few weeks' time.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Most of the universities are like that as well, as I recall, regarding liability. Does Mr. McCarthy know what the liability would be?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is the accumulated total, that is just there as a liability-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (27 Oct 2022)

Brian Stanley: Is the listing of the accounts and financial statements agreed? Agreed. As usual, the listing of accounts and financial statements will be published as part of our minutes. The next business is No. 3, correspondence. As previously agreed, items that were not flagged for discussion for this meeting will continue to be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that have been...