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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: -----but what did materialise was a transfer that was confirmed just two or three weeks ago where Religious Sisters of Charity has finally given over its share to St. Vincent's Holdings at the top of the pyramid.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: St. Vincent's Holdings would have been enriched immeasurably by that transfer of land.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: At the time, thanks to Dr. Boylan and other people, we got some insight into which aspects of Canon Law had to be complied with to allow for the transfer of the nuns' possession over St. Vincent's Holdings, but we have no clarity on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: Dr. Boylan has already said it is important to get that documentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: The Government tells us not to worry about that because we now have St. Vincent's Holdings with a new constitution, St. Vincent's Healthcare Group with a new constitution, and the national maternity hospital designated activity company with a constitution and because those three constitutions set out that there should be no concern about religious influence because the organisations have now...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: Let us take a different route in the few minutes I have left. The Religious Sisters of Charity could have decided to gift the site to the State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: That did not happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: We do not know why it did not happen.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: That is one possible interpretation, or they might have come to some arrangement with St. Vincent's Holdings or St. Vincent's Healthcare Group. We do not know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: It is vital to know that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: Here we are now with a secular St. Vincent's Healthcare Group. Does Dr. Boylan know at what point it became secular?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: It assures us in the documentation we all have that it is now secular. Well, I think one part of the documentation says it is evolving into a secular group, but lately we have heard it is a secular group. Dr. Boylan cannot help us as to when it became a secular group.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: What would Dr. Boylan need to see to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: Going back to Mr. McGarr, I would be unhappy with a leasehold interest, notwithstanding the fact that it is a 299-year lease. Is that lease more beneficial to St. Vincent's Holdings and St. Vincent's Healthcare Group than it is to the State?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: The one reason put forward for St. Vincent's Healthcare Group that I read is that it wants to provide integrated care because of the interconnecting areas. Could that have been done by contract or by different legal documents? I am talking about full ownership being given over to the State and the various legal documents stating that there are interconnections.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: I am over time. I have just one last point for Dr. Boylan. He has mentioned it a good few times and it touched me. I am talking about the change in autonomy from the woman to the clinician if we go with what is deemed clinically appropriate. Dr. Boylan might conclude on that for me, with the Chairperson's permission. The change is that we are taking autonomy from the woman and putting it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: We have no idea of the circumstances or conditions surrounding that gift, transfer or otherwise. Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (12 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: What is the benefit to St. Vincent's Healthcare Group or St. Vincent's Holdings of having the whole leasehold?

Electricity Regulation (Amendment) (Prohibition of Winter Disconnections) Bill 2021: Second Stage [Private Members] (11 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: I must now deal with a postponed division on amendment No. 1 to the Second Stage of Electricity Regulation (Amendment) (Prohibition of Winter Disconnections) Bill 2021.

Rising Rental Costs: Motion (Resumed) [Private Members] (11 May 2022)

Catherine Connolly: I must now deal with a postponed division on amendment No. 2 on the motion on rising rental costs.

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