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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Sometimes Prison Service staff are trapped between the chief medical officer and the Prison Service. To get out the way they want, the chief medical officer must sign something, but he says it is not his problem if he thinks they are capable of working but the Prison Service cannot reasonably accommodate them. Some people find themselves trapped. Does Mr. Culliton have influence to tell...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: People have to get certificates of impairment from the chief medical officer if they want an injury warrant, but now I realise the injury warrant is a waste of time because the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform does not use it. In response to another parliamentary question last year, I was told the number of people who retired from the Irish Prison Service due to ill health in 2017...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand the Prison Service is confined to the public service schemes and I know it is looking for a review, but we still have these situations. The Irish Prison Service is trying to recruit people, but people being recruited into a uniformed service, whether the Garda or whatever, and we are speaking about the Irish Prison Service today, know that if they get stabbed in the course of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a lack of humanity somewhere in people having their own silo. The injured prison officer is the person who is caught.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have covered a bit of ground in terms of injury warrants and the chief medical officer. Will the Prison Service put together a piece of paper for the benefit of the committee? The conversation moved from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to the criminal injuries compensation tribunal. I am not asking the witnesses to comment but why would somebody injured in the course of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Fine. Let us say this has happened.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Unlawful stabbing is criminal but, we will not deal with that case. We will generalise the principles.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is criminal. There are assaults on prison officers and that is who I am trying to protect in this case. Why would the people involved in some of these cases feel the need to go to the High Court? Do they fare better in the High Court than at the criminal injuries compensation tribunal? The Prison Service must have some indication because it is the employer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am very concerned about the answer given on the report a moment ago. I know it was meant well but it came across badly. Deputy Aylward mentioned the prison officer who was stabbed in Tallaght. Ms McCaffrey said the State Claims Agency reviewed it, which is great, but three or four times she stated that retraining had been done. That could be interpreted as suggesting it was the staff...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms McCaffrey mentioned staff have been retrained and shown the new procedures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: One could have got the impression the staff were not trained in some way. That is the fault of the Irish Prison Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. I am giving Ms McCaffrey the opportunity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms McCaffrey does not need to apologise. It is just a matter of clarifying. The retraining was mentioned three or four times. If there are 3,000 staff, they could be wondering whether Ms McCaffrey is blaming them for not being trained.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know it was not Ms McCaffrey's intention. I am raising it to clarify it in case some people watching take the other meaning. What is the position involving the Garda and the Irish Prison Service regarding security when transferring prisoners? There are 41,000 transfers per annum. Obviously, the Irish Prison Service has to have a serious protocol. Is the Garda always available at the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms McCaffrey is clear on that. We hear on the news every week that somebody on remand or whatever video links to the court. How many prisons have the video link facility? I am sure that video link reduces the number of prisoners transferred.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is happening already.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is because the gardaĆ­ have to come to the prison and serve the warrant-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----or it has to be given to somebody to pass on to the prison. How many video links were there last year between the Prison Service and the courts? For every one, there is one transfer less.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a small percentage. The Irish Prison Service is trying to increase that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I presume they are remand issues.

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