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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right, but they cannot get any enhanced payment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is invoking the superannuation situation immaterial then from a superannuation point of view? Is it irrelevant financially whether a person was injured in the course of their work or if he or she got cancer and was no longer able to work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, what I mean is that it is not relevant to the amount of payment made.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: So that is not relevant then. I will come back to the point. I am sorry for interrupting Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The witness can send on the other information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is was an answer to that given already. We all had the same view as the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: To clarify for anybody who has come in late, 1,600 former prisoners in Mountjoy Prison have lodged a claim. None of the cases has been paid out yet. They are still before the court. However, some of the legal costs already have been paid at this point. The legal fees are very high but the compensation has not come through at all yet. Some of the legal fees are being paid "as you go",...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: In Mountjoy in the past, there were not sanitary services in the cell. The polite term is "slopping out". We all know, I hope, what that means. The Prison Service has ensured that no longer happens.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: However, those who were in prison years ago claim it was not proper humane treatment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. I have a few questions because some Deputies will want to come back in a second time. I will deal with a few issues which I touched on early with regard to officers injured in the course of their duties. I ask the witnesses to take me through the steps. The service states that an injury warrant goes to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and others have to take cases to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is Mr. Don Culliton aware of any in recent times?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The reason I ask is because people listening heard about those who get a top-up on their pension on retirement and they can get an injury warrant to acknowledge that, but now we find that is merely a mirage. It does not happen. It sounded brilliant here this morning that there was a system in place but it transpires that while in theory there might be a system, there is no funding to back...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Culliton is saying there is a provision there but it does not happen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: From our point of view it is public relations to say there is a system there but it does not happen in practice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It could happen in theory but does not in practice. I wanted to make that point. I ask Mr. Culliton to take me through the case of where somebody is injured in the course of his or her duties, who may or may not have retired on health grounds, and who would go to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Tribunal, CICT. Alternatively, there would be cases where the person who has been assaulted...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, we are gone from that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Culliton explain the situation where somebody gets to the end of his or her sick leave as the result of an injury on the job, does not feel it fair he or she should be retired on ill-health grounds, and is off payroll? How many prison officers are on the Prison Service's books but off payroll and receiving no payment at all?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: This sounds a most unfair situation. There are prison officers injured in the course of their work, they have exhausted their sick leave, they probably feel they want to do some light duties, and the Prison Service is saying there is not a great facility for it as the person is not fit for work. In the meantime, the prison officer has not been pensioned off - or whatever is the phrase one...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Nobody has benefitted yet from that scheme.

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