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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I acknowledge that Mr. Doyle cannot justify it as he was not there. It is not justifiable, but surely there should be more intervention. It was the council's money then and it is now the public coffers. I appreciate Ms Ryan's point that the Department does not get involved if it is the authority's money but surely if we have ended up in a scenario where it is now coming from the public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: In other words, there was intervention.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: There would have been intervention. The mind boggles as to how we have ended up in this scenario. Has something changed significantly to prevent this happening again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I know that but we have county development plans that take hours of people's time to develop. That does not add up. What is in place now to prevent this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I have grave concerns about transparency on these issues. In Wexford, I hear the intimation from people that a bigger price was paid because of who owned a site and this, that and the other. We need to look at this in order that those allegations do not arise, from a public purse perspective. What has happened makes no sense. I will move on because I have limited time. As regards...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: They were identified on top of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: Why is that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: That process did not go to tender but went back to the people who signed off on the original properties. Is that what Mr. O'Connor is saying to me?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I know. I have read the report so I know where the figure comes from. I am asking why we have received only 6% of what is due.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: That is not really an answer. I am asking why we have recovered so little. It is only 6% of what is due. Over what time period has that been done? I will have to come back on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: That is the answer I would have expected from Mr. O'Connor.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: It is beyond me that we have it providing technical expertise and stuff.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I want to deal with the land aggregation scheme as it relates to the accounting of site values. It would appear that the last valuation was in 2018. At that point, the sites were valued at €55 million and the local authorities had a spend of €115 million. The Comptroller and Auditor General has recommended that there would be a revaluation but there is no timeframe on that....

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: At current value?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I understand that there is no cost. I am interested in knowing how it is valued.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: This is the first time any witness has ever raised concern in regard to costs. I thank him for that statement. It is normally from this side such a statement is made. The last valuation was carried out in 2018. Is Mr. O'Connor saying the next valuation will be done in 2024?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: We are in 2020. Has it being done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: After 2020?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: To clarify, there will be a valuation every two years and a more detailed valuation every six years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government (Resumed)
Chapter 11 - Social Housing
Chapter 12 - Land Aggregation Scheme.
Chapter 13 - Pyrite Remediation Scheme.
(26 Nov 2020)

Verona Murphy: I take it that is what was recommended.

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