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Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The situation north of the Border is not relevant to the amendment.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: I do not want to cut across the Senator, but we are currently dealing with definitions.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: In fairness, Senator Ó Domhnaill has tabled an amendment to section 12 which deals with the same issue.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: I suggest that the Senator confine his remarks to the definition of "vesting day", given that he will be able to spend more time on the amendment when we reach section 12.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: With due respect, Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh's point was the only relevant one raised on the section.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The issue of redundancies has no connection with the section.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The Minister of State may respond if he wishes.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: Neither of the points made by the Senator is relevant to the section.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The issues raised pertain to local authorities rather than the Minister.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The debate is moving in circles and extending far beyond the scope of the section. I was in the process of putting the question when Senator Brian Ó Domhnaill entered the Chamber. I will allow the Minister of State to reply before putting the question.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: I am inclined to think we are broadening the debate on section 3, but I will let Senator Barrett speak. I will let the Minister in then and maybe we can put that to bed.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: Some of those matters are not relevant to section 3, but I allow the Minister of State to reply.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The matters were ruled out of order. Unfortunately, neither the Minister of State nor I cannot change that. The decision has been made.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: The Minister of State should not involve himself in that debate.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: It would be obiter dictum.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: While the points Senators are making are valuable, I ask that they stick to section 3. If we begin to broaden the debate, we will never get beyond that section.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: We are moving outside the general issue of section 3. I will allow Senator Trevor Ó Clochartaigh speak. The point raised by Senator Paul Bradford appears to be a broad global issue. It is unfair that we should have a full debate on that issue on section 3. I ask the Senator to be cognisant of that.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: I am not going to prevent the Senator from speaking but I do not want a broad general debate. We are on section 3 which is fairly confined.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, Deputy Fergus O'Dowd, to the House.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (10 Dec 2013)

Denis O'Donovan: Amendment No. 2 is a Government amendment. Amendments Nos. 2 and 3 are related and may be discussed together by agreement.

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