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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: That could have been done by picking up the phone and talking to someone like Mr. Nolan-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: -----or someone in Premier Lotteries.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: Surely a straight line of communication is better. The regulator can pick up the phone and-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: I got the same call two weeks ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: That is a coincidence.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: Deputy Dillon is next to speak and I have some questions myself here. On the research carried out by the operator, was the regulator aware that that had happened after the Comptroller and Auditor General’s report had been published, that is, between the period of its publication in September and the date of this meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: At least two of us were contacted, which people are entitled to do, but I found it interesting. Was the regulator contacted by a polling company? No. On the roll-over of the prizes, it has rolled over, I understand, 51 times-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: -----before the must-win-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: It was over 60?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: It was extensive then, in any event, and that was before the must-win limit of €19 million was introduced.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: Who suggested introducing the limit?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: The operator decided to introduce it.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: One would have to conclude that it has reduced credibility with a possible fall-off in sales, because it was seen to be virtually impossible to win it. The operator did this but why did the regulator not propose it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: That there would be a cut-off point and a must-win limit.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: I am asking Ms Boate this question now as regulator. I am sure that there would be numerous and regular communication between her office and the operator. Surely, at that point, given the level of public discussion around this, the whole credibility of the national lottery was a stake here. As regulator, did it occur to anybody in her office of the nine or ten staff members which I read of...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: ------because the public who play the lotto got on to the Deputies about it. I find that strange, where the regulator has confirmed this morning that no one in her office raised this matter, or raised it with the operator. On the number of balls that are played-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: I do not understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: Can I just say this to the regulator because it has come up on a number of occasions here this morning, where I have heard this discussion going backwards and forwards. I understand that the role of the regulator is to ensure that the lottery operates as per the terms of the licence and within the law. I understand and get that. A regulator cannot be a bystander when major issues are...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2021: National Lottery Fund (24 Nov 2022)

Brian Stanley: Could this issue not have been raised there?

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