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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The three institutions appearing today will again come before the committee, along with representatives of the Department, as soon as the financial statements for the period ending September 2017 in the case of UL and 31 August 2017 in the cases of IT Sligo and Waterford Institute of Technology are finalised. We expect representatives of each of the institutions to appear, along with Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. O'Toole have anything on IT Sligo?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The committee has agreed to get all of the opening statements on the record at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We want to get it on the record.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Cullinane has a quick comment on the issues in respect of Waterford Institute of Technology. We do not normally take comments at this stage, but Mr. O'Toole has highlighted a very significant, major and substantial issue that will be before the committee and we want to deal with it immediately.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Toole can answer briefly but it is really up to the Department. The HEA is outside its remit and off the pitch to an extent. There is a big issue that merited all of this. There is an issue of remit. It is certainly within the power of the Department to do something. Would Mr. O'Toole like to comment?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not going to take general questions; this is the only specific question.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not taking any further questions. I will take a quick response and, if needs be, we will return to the matter. We were of the view that the process was there and now we are told it is not.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department want to make a brief comment?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am going to close our discussion on this topic. It will be included in our work programme. We will be coming back to our guests and they will be coming back to us. This was unusual but the committee wanted to deal with this issue at this early stage of the meeting, rather than later on, because there is a separate issue from the Comptroller and Auditor General report. I invite Dr....

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Professor Fitzgerald for his opening statement. I invite Dr. Brendan McCormack to make his opening statement on behalf of IT Sligo.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Dr. McCormack. The first speaker is Deputy Connolly who is to be followed by Deputies Cullinane, MacSharry and Catherine Murphy. The first speaker has 20 minutes; the second will have 15, while all others will have ten. We should stick to the schedule, with a view to concluding this session before the votes are taken in the Dáil.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the exact name of the company?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the financial statements there is a list of 12 companies that are subsidiaries.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but they are in the financial statements as subsidiaries.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can you give us a figure? Is it 12? The Deputy has asked how many there are three times but has not received an answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is in the financial statements.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is the biggest understatement of all time. We have just discussed it with the Secretary General and that is all we have in front of us. That says it all.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are they still on the same salary scale?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 103 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Remuneration of certain senior staff in the University of Limerick and Institute of Technology Sligo (24 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: As we are on the point of identifying individuals by their position, we will go into private session.

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