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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That was a very small number that were completed relative to the number Ms McCrum has. Does she have the numbers for 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Does Ms McCrum have a monetary value?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: As I said, Ms McCrum might just send-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: If she would, and the monetary value and the numbers and what was and was not settled.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: The nature of the claims-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of risk assessment, obviously, we are an island and the Naval Service is very important from that point of view. We have had some very high-profile drug seizures that required oversight. Certainly, one of them appears not to have been intelligence-led but was kind of fortunate. The other thing is that there has been activity in terms of Russian submarines in Irish waters, or...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is why it would be nice to have a-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I understand that there are security issues here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is there a minimum level of security we require that we are falling below in terms of a risk analysis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, but is there a risk analysis that defines-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I understand why that would be the case, but does the Department work off the analysis in terms of meeting minimum standards?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I have two further questions. I know the High Court case is very recent. Essentially, it was found that the previous order by management preventing military personnel from attending protests in a civilian capacity is unconstitutional. What happens now? How is that relayed? Does it come through the Department? Does it come through the command? Through whom does it come?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It does give personnel freedom to talk about their pay and conditions, whereas they could not do so before. That is a pretty good idea because that has been so absent in terms of hearing about something before it gets to a crisis, and we see the number of personnel who are walking away. Some 60% of the budget relates to staff and allowances. Is money returned to the Exchequer when it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Could it be an advantage - if the Department wanted to buy a helicopter, for example - that if it did not fully recruit its staff, that money could be deployed to something else like that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. That would be capital. In what other areas could the Department spend money that is not spent on payroll on the current side?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 - Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Defence
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 12: Stock Management in the Defence Forces
(23 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So, instead of payroll, it went to fuel.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: The witnesses are welcome. I start by asking about the Mercy Convent in Naas, County Kildare. The school build started in 2017, the year the current sixth class started school, and the school will not be complete for another two years. Is that the longest there has been? The school has no PE hall as a consequence of being accommodated in prefabs. There is somewhere in the region of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is it the only one?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How rare?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 26 - Office of Minister for Education
(16 May 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. Loftus give us numbers or an example?

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