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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can Mr. Pollock indicate what the quantum is?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will come back in again. I thank the witnesses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thought Deputy O'Connell would be first. I asked earlier for full documentation on the decisions that were made. That would include minutes on the key critical milestones in the escalation of the project. I ask the witnesses to also provide a full list of attendees at those meetings, including sub-committee meetings, since the establishment of the National Paediatric Hospital Development...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was February 2017. What date was the €60 million increase?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was September 2017.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. In August 2018 then, as Mr. Pollock said in evidence previously, it was €140 million more.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That was in August 2018. I presume that information would have been communicated up to Mr. Sullivan and to Mr. Breslin?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: We know that Mr. Sullivan, who is in his role for a reason, and Mr. Breslin, who obviously talks to the Minister for Health, Deputy Harris, every day, communicated that information up the line in August. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It would be strange if it was not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Sullivan definitely knew.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Sullivan knew but it cannot be guaranteed that Mr. Breslin knew.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: As well?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: What date was that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. Pollock come back to us with that date?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: There is a reason I am asking Mr. Pollock this question. What was the total cost of the project then at that point in August 2018?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: One would assume it was €983 million plus €200 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. In August 2018, therefore, it was €283 million plus €200 million plus VAT plus the urgent care centres plus the issues with the contractors. That equalled X. Was that the equation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Am I wrong in what I just said?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I just repeated back what Mr. Pollock said. That is all I did.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. Let me repeat, because there is deep concern here. What was the €200 million made up of?

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