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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: To be honest, as somebody interested in the detail, it was the first time I had become aware of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Effectively, we have deciphered two things, one of which is that costs related to the laboratories are secret or not being broken down indicating the cost per smear. The second is that, effectively, free screening was not offered. What was done was a woman's next test was brought forward. Essentially what is being said is that the women concerned will now go to the back of queue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: They will come for a routine test in three to five years.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: The slides go out of date, but the knock-on consequences down the line could affect women's health and result in other cases of negligence or other issues because they were not dealt with within the appropriate timeframe.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not sure about that and do not agree with the Chairman.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: The Chairman is over-thinking this.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: We need clarity.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Three years.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree with the previous speaker. The last paragraph warrants further clarification. We need to break down what is included in that paragraph further.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have a history on this matter. When I was a Minister some years ago, I provided the first funding for one of these schemes. At that stage, the Department of the Environment and Local Government rather than the Department of Justice and Equality had responsibility for the matter. The funding was provided to pilot a CCTV scheme in the Chairman's county. It is up and running and has been...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is a bit confusing. Employee assistance helplines, as we know from dealing with protected disclosures and all of that, should be mandatory and that is why I asked for a list of when they were put in place. We can see that it was done in some institutions in accordance with the timeframe, in some others it was done beforehand, and in others it was done quite late. It is alarming that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I genuinely do not know. If people have issues in regard to their personal wellness and are dealing with these organisations, I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: When we write to the HEA, we should ask if it is satisfied that these organisations can deal with any issues employees could have, particularly issues that could potentially end up as protected disclosures or corporate issues relating to the institution.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: They might deal with corporate issues. On one last point, could the HEA also provide an explanation as to the wide timeframe in regard to putting in place these helplines?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I concur with Deputy Murphy that the Minister should appear before the committee. I spent four hours at the meeting of the Joint Committee on Health yesterday going through this issue. It was useful in terms of what the Committee of Public Accounts will be doing for separate reasons. Prior to the meeting, I was not fully aware of certain facts. The board that was set up is a publicly...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: They are the same person. There is a chairperson and there is an individual who is almost a direct liaison construction officer. I ask that those persons, whose names I will provide to the Chair, appear, along with Mr. Dean Sullivan.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: He is over the board which oversees the project. I will ascertain his exact title.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Jim Breslin should also appear, along with any relevant departmental officials and the Minister. There are four layers in this process.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I welcome all the guests, in particular the Secretary General, Mr. O'Driscoll, and the director general of the service, Ms McCaffrey. They are both new appointments, to whom I wish the best of luck in their new roles. I have a number of questions and I ask that we have a quick-fire engagement in order that we can cover as much as possible. When will the investigation into the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
(17 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I accept the Department will not have the information to hand, but will it revert to the committee to indicate whether there have been any costs for surveillance in any of the prisons or of any prison officers over the past five years? Will the Department inquire across the prison whether there have been any costs associated with any surveillance of prison officers, and revert to the committee?

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