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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: That explains the answer to the parliamentary question on 18 September.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It could not have been.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: The Minister knew that the costs were higher.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: When did the Secretary General inform the Department of the Taoiseach, formally or informally?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: What date?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will remind Mr. Breslin of my three questions. My main question was related to the reporting mechanism, to which there were four layers. The question was who knew what and when and whether somebody had been bypassed. The second question was when was the chief executive of the HSE specifically informed. My third question was related to maintenance costs. The first question is very...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I ask Mr. Breslin to address briefly my points on the knowledge of the chief executive and the maintenance costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I ask Mr. Breslin to address the maintenance costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Are those costs included?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I refer to the individual who we will not name and who was on the board based on competency in tendering and procurement. The Minister informed the Taoiseach and the Department of Public Expenditure of the overrun in November, whether formally or informally. That individual works in the Department of Finance, and did not go back to that Department or the Department of Public Expenditure and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am merely posing the question. It would seem bizarre. This is a national scandal. It is no reflection on the person, but given the position he or she held and where he or she works, it seems bizarre. I want to get it straight. The Minister found out about this in August, as we have heard. Until November, the Department of the Taoiseach, the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: There were no communications between the Department of Health at a political or administrative level with anyone in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform, the Department of the Taoiseach or any other Department until the middle of November.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: No, I am asking the Secretary General-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I had not intended asking this question. I ask it purely because of the answer to the last question. It is very clear. The Secretary General should think about the answer. Was there any formal or informal discussion or correspondence, in any way, shape or form, politically or administratively, with the Department of the Taoiseach, the Department of Finance or the Department of Public...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: I do not want a guess, I want facts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is like pulling teeth. Mr. Breslin has just given us more new information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is. I asked this question earlier and I was told something else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breslin is now saying that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform was informed in October.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (29 Jan 2019)

Alan Kelly: How did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform respond?

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