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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, I want the two of you to stop.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will suspend the meeting if you do not stop.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The answers he has given-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: First, the Deputy is not supposed to question the integrity of a witness. I think the answer to the question is that the legal advice was incorrect. That is it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The answer I heard given to that is that the legal advice was incorrect.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Attorney General's office.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Deputy is correct in that it was a mistake. It was wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have established that. Deputy Dillon has six minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: There will be a third round of questions. I ask the Deputy to bear with us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Sorry. Continue. I do not want this meeting interrupted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I wish to ask about budgets and delivery. I have addressed this previously with the HSE and with Mr. Watt. The figure that has been mentioned already in terms of the spend is €23 billion this year for the health service. I do not raise any argument in that regard, but the problem we have is that we must figure out what is happening between the delivery of the budget and the delivery...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: The problem for Deputies is that budgets are passed and there are arguments about them, but the money goes over to the scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: If we put €10 million more into the scheme on top of the €10 million that is going into it this year, thereby increasing the funding for it by 50%, we will still wind up with no scheme because of how it is constructed. I am asking direct questions. What is the budget for the dental scheme in CHO 8 this year? How much of that would relate - in terms of population proportion -...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Maybe not. The point I am making is that here we are now, many years later, and we have regressed this much. I want direct answers. What is the budget for the scheme this year? Who is to provide it? Is it to be provided by private or public dentists? Who is in charge of it? What is being done to address this issue? Will Mr. Watt clarify this in his answers? He might answer my next...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the Department of Health saying that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: I get a variation of answers from others on that. I want to know what the position is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are telling the public that there is more money going in, and we are going to and fro and back and forward. They are saying that is all fine but they still cannot get the service. Those are the four questions. Will Mr. Watt come back to me on those?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: Has the protocol changed? Is there a protocol in place now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is an individual issue.

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