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Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Maybe the Department of Education and Skills can help Professor Fitzgerald. Can the Department briefly confirm the report that was carried on RTE that the Department was misled in respect of these individuals?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can we have copies of that correspondence?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That would be helpful. I do not know whether is it possible to do it in the course of this morning. I have made the point. I am most unhappy with that. It is not that I want Mr. Foy's rights to be trampled upon. I accept he is as entitled to due process as anybody else but I am shocked, and the contrast could not be more stark. These women are two years into their suspension.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The other matter of-----

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can I, just for the record, make it clear that I am not proposing that we use the treatment of those whistleblowers as any kind of benchmark to be visited on anyone else? That is entirely not my point. Professor Fitzgerald knows the point I am making. When staff, particularly in very senior positions, are found - it is not a question of a mistake or messing up - to have deliberately misled...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. I understand, in Mr. McCarthy's position, it would be so. For the Comptroller and Auditor General to state that the office did not have complete information is, in and of itself, a very significant statement. Is Mr. McCarthy in a position to tell us who, either by name or position, left him with the incomplete information?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Fair enough. Let me make this point. Suffice to say the Comptroller and Auditor General was not communicating with somebody who had just come in on a lowly lecturing teaching post.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The Comptroller and Auditor General is in communication with the trusted senior levels of management in the college-----

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----who left him with incomplete information.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How this is all shaping up is that the committee was misled, deceived or whatever, as was the Department. The Comptroller and Auditor General was left with incomplete information. That is quite something. That is truly something. I will come back in later. I have more questions for Professor Fitzgerald.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Deputy Kelly cannot accept a gift from a witness. He would have to declare it to SIPO.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am anxious to get back in.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I need more than five minutes.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will be quick, but questions need to be asked.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes, and I am not sure that I will be able to do this in ten minutes, but I will do my best. I have looked at Professor Fitzgerald's CV. How does he describe himself? Is he a scientist?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Dr. Love a scientist as well?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am surrounded by the scientific community. It is Dr. Thorn and Professor Fitzgerald? I apologise for getting the title wrong. I am pleased that the witnesses are here because it is important that as a committee and as a sector that we begin to look forward rather than going over the entrails of the past. As the witnesses will be aware, this is round three for the University of Limerick...

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will come to that in a moment. I have scanned Professor Thorn's CV, which is impressive.

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The HEA is the commissioning authority. How did this happen? Did Dr. Love approach Dr. Thorn directly, personally?

Public Accounts Committee: University College Cork and University of Limerick: Financial Statements (22 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who in the Department?

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