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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I refer to a typical three to five-year contract.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In terms of AHBs drawing down long-term finance, is it short term such as over four years? I am sure an organisation borrowing money would prefer to have the agreement guaranteed for a longer period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am putting on my hat s Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts which looks after State funds. If the issue of housing supply is sorted out to some extent and rents start to drop, will the State be caught paying a high rent to AHBs based on an agreement that will be-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I noted that when the Department was working on affordable housing sites, there was a presumption that the market would continue to rise and the opposite was not contemplated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I do not want the State to be caught out. How many properties have been provided by AHBs?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: How many of the AHBs for which payments are approved ensure their financial statements are published and audited within six months of year end? Can any of the witnesses answer that question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does the Department have that information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Ms Lyons to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Some years ago the committee dealt with the HSE which was paying out money to section 38 and section 39 organisations for health services provided. The organisations were all brought into line and told that they would not receive a full allocation until their audited accounts were submitted. It would be dreadful not to have those controls in place from the beginning in this growing sector....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who must produce accounts within nine months?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That was also a requirement in the case of section 38 and section 39 companies. No one is knocking on the door of businesses. Given that taxpayers' money is being spent, I want control at the point where the money is going out. The Companies Registration Office will follow its own procedures, but I am here to look after taxpayers' money. It will probably take some time to provide that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Great.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I want to know, out of the 260-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the CRO requirement?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know that. Within how many months must they be produced?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I wish to know how many of the AHBs meet that requirement. I would be worried if there were outliers. The witnesses can understand from where I am coming.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Ms Lyons will be able to find out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Once they are audited and available. Do AHBs pay local property tax?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it the lowest value?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Therefore, the annual local property tax level per property is €90.

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