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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Why is there such chaos within Horse Sport Ireland at the moment? We are getting people ringing us up on a continual basis telling us that it is losing DNA samples and not issuing passports. A number of passports have yet to be issued for 2023. Something has gone very wrong within the organisation. What has gone wrong?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Hold on. When the witnesses were here before they were in the middle of changing over. That was a while ago. I am sick of listening to talk about changing over.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: The organisation stopped.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: This is all going back to the problem we saw of no accountability anywhere. This is the problem. Would the witnesses admit that the organisation is not functioning as it should be in an effective way?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I am explaining why we might have no passports for things. The other questions have been asked. I am moving on to the Department. In 2016, SI 201 of 2016 was changed and the signature of seller is not now required for the transfer of ownership of an equine. Why is that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: With cattle, the AIM system means that the Department knows where everyone’s animals are at this minute. What is the push back that is coming? Is it from the thoroughbred or the horse sport side? We are hearing there is push back against the Department having an AIM system. Some 2.5 million calves are born every year. Within one week, we are able to have a card for them. There is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Can I ask Mr. Sheahan a question? Next week if any of us go to the mart and there are horses for sale, we can buy a horse. It is up to us when we change the ownership. If any one of us goes to a mart and buys an animal, it goes into our herd that night - the minute we buy it. Why can I decide that I can do it in three months, four months or six months? Somebody got a phone call about a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How many organisations are giving out these passports?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How many are giving them out for cattle?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How efficient are they?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Yes. Why are we dabbling with seven different organisations that are getting money but none of which is able to function to the standard that is required to make sure there is a passport straightaway? I remember it being agreed at this committee that the AIM system would be brought in and a person would have the passport for their horse immediately. That was a long time ago and it is still...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I will say one thing to Mr. Sheahan. I cannot have cattle or sheep without a flock number for sheep or a herd number for cattle.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How can I have a horse, or ten of them, and not need to have anything?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: What is happening in reality?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I have one quick question, and Dr. Egan might be able to answer it for me. When we take the DNA of each animal or horse that was born, and we get our book for them, it is through a hair that we can always trace and identify that same animal, is it not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: If a horse is registered under the AIMS, the owner has the DNA and a registered passport, having a hair sample also is bulletproof for a factory to then trace the animal in question. Would that be fair to say?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: Can I come in on something there? I have heard from breeders that Horse Sport Ireland is not issuing out books at the moment. One cannot get a passport at the minute or even on update of ownership. However, if one pays the €150 extra - it is like getting the quick passport a person can get if they are flying out of the country - one can get it then. However, if one goes the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: How bulletproof?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Welfare, Treatment and Traceability of Horses: Discussion (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: He or she would be in a spot of bother straight away then if it worked out differently.

Child Care (Amendment) Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (26 Jun 2024)

Michael Fitzmaurice: I join the Minister in congratulating Deputy Funchion. I wish her the best of luck. I thank the Minister for the engagement so far. I support Deputy Sherlock's amendment. It is reasonable. Every one of us here is trying to ensure that childminding is done right everywhere. As I said to the Minister last week, people have a fear of Tusla coming into their houses. On top of that, the...

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